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Post by osrb on Apr 12, 2012 7:48:12 GMT -5
PROVIDENCE, R.I. – Ann Romney’s debut on Twitter couldn’t have come at a more opportune time. Ann’s first tweet came just moments after Democratic strategist and DNC adviser Hilary Rosen lobbed an insult at Ann Romney, suggesting that the 64-year-old mother of five and grandmother of 16 had never held a job. “Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life,” said Rosen, who was being interviewed by CNN’s Anderson Cooper about the “war on women.” And then, just like that, a familiar name popped up on Twitter: @anndromney. “I made a choice to stay home and raise five boys. Believe me, it was hard work,” Ann tweeted. The Romney campaign confirmed to ABC News that the account belongs to Ann Romney. Raising Children is not a Job************************************************** I guess dems do not think that being a mother is a job. I know many stay at home mothers and a couple of fathers. It is a full time job. Not all jobs have regular pay checks some are just for knowing that your family is taken care of.
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Post by gridbug on Apr 12, 2012 7:54:26 GMT -5
You think being a mother is a "job"? We can all be happy that those "welfare moms" that have more babies just to get a bigger check are now employed :-)
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 12, 2012 8:31:48 GMT -5
You think being a mother is a "job"? We can all be happy that those "welfare moms" that have more babies just to get a bigger check are now employed :-) If raising a child isn't a job does that mean that Nannies are not actually employed?
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Post by gridbug on Apr 12, 2012 9:03:56 GMT -5
Being a mother may be a lot of work but is not a job. Of course if Obama embraces mothering as a job then unemployment numbers will fall immediately. If you get a paycheck for the work you do then that is a job, therefore nannies are employed. Whether or not they are employed legally is another issue altogether.
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Post by Warkitty on Apr 12, 2012 9:34:21 GMT -5
Raising children is hard work, but mothers are not paid for it. Implying that all democrats see no value to being a stay-at-home mom however is lazy thinking at best.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 12, 2012 9:42:28 GMT -5
Being a mother may be a lot of work but is not a job. Here's the problem with that reasoning. Mother's who work while their children are small take a hit on child care costs. If the family is a two parent family, like what is assumed to be the norm, then one parent staying home while the other works does provide an economic benefit to the family equivilent to the cost of child care plus other expenses associated with employment. Another economic benefit from one parent staying home with the kids is that food costs for the family can be reduced because the stay at home parent can invest time in preparing meals starting with the basic ingredients rather than purchasing semi-prepared and prepared meals. If you get a paycheck for the work you do then that is a job, therefore nannies are employed. Whether or not they are employed legally is another issue altogether. I reject that definition of a job. I consider stay at home parents as being self employed. Their paycheck is the economic benefit they provide for their family.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 12, 2012 9:48:11 GMT -5
Raising children is hard work, but mothers are not paid for it. Implying that all democrats see no value to being a stay-at-home mom however is lazy thinking at best. Rosen was slammed by numerous other Democratic strategist over her comment so I can't see how anyone could use her statement to condemn anyone but Hillary Rosen. And as I pointed out above, a stay-at-home parent provides an economic benefit to the family so I can't see how one can say they aren't "paid" for the work.
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Post by gridbug on Apr 12, 2012 11:19:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first commonly recognized definition you rejected Since this started in the context of comments by government/political representatives, I think the definition to go with is the IRS' definition. Mothering is hard work, but a job has a taxable salary
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 12, 2012 11:57:49 GMT -5
"Implying that all democrats see no value to being a stay-at-home mom however is lazy thinking at best. "
As is saying that all Republicans are wealthy white guys & are racists.
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Post by Warkitty on Apr 12, 2012 12:12:00 GMT -5
So, other people utilizing lazy thinking is your excuse for employing the same?
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 12, 2012 12:35:00 GMT -5
Not for 47% of those filing.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 12, 2012 12:36:38 GMT -5
"So, other people utilizing lazy thinking is your excuse for employing the same?"
Not at all. Just trying to get both sides of the aisle to stop using generalizations as basis for their arguments. A little critical thinking goes a long way.
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Post by JC on Apr 12, 2012 15:05:01 GMT -5
Ok, how about this. Raising kids and being a stay at home mom and homemaker is a job.... when the kids are home schooled.
I believe Romney’s kids attended private school. That left 7-9 hours a day (assuming it was not a live in school) for 42 years that Ann sat on her lazy ass whilst removing herself from the real world.
And before someone jumps down my throat saying she spent that time tending home; 1) We learned decades ago that it does not take a wife several hours per day to mop and vacuum. Most families can tend home within a few minutes daily.
2) The Romney's have maids. Four maids to be exact.
If what she did for 42 years (since the first child was born) can be called a "job", then I'm gonna call my cat a CEO.
"old fashioned when it comes to women."
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Post by Tookie on Apr 12, 2012 20:58:23 GMT -5
Hilary ROSEN is probably toast now in the campaign. President Obama strongly disagreed with Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen’s controversial comment about Ann Romney, saying today that “there’s no tougher job than being a mom.”.... The president went a step further, suggesting candidates’ families should be off limits. “I don’t have a lot of patience for commentary about the spouses of political candidates,” he told KCRG.abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/obama-rejects-rosens-comments-on-ann-romney/
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Post by Tsavodiner on Apr 13, 2012 16:47:02 GMT -5
You think being a mother is a "job"? We can all be happy that those "welfare moms" that have more babies just to get a bigger check are now employed :-) Don't laugh; somebody in D.C. will see this as the NEXT big Federal entitlement program!
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Post by Tsavodiner on Apr 13, 2012 16:50:27 GMT -5
Raising children is hard work, but mothers are not paid for it. Implying that all democrats see no value to being a stay-at-home mom however is lazy thinking at best. The hard-core fascistic liberal BASE of the democrat party HATE the idea of parental control, indeed ANY buttress between their doggerel idioms and impressionable children's minds.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 13, 2012 18:39:42 GMT -5
Wooeee! lookie thar LR, more blather!
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Post by Copperhead on Apr 13, 2012 20:27:21 GMT -5
Many families make the decision to forgo a second income after children begin to arrive. If they can manage without the extra income, well good for them. As for parenting being a full-time job, well, it is, at least for me. Yes, I work outside the home and have throughout my children's lives. I'm still mom, even while at work. Being home is the second shift. Juggling their activities, checkups, etc along with a job/career is no easy task, even with a spouse who is a full partner. It is rather exhausting.
I've known moms who stay home full-time with their young children. It's tough work. There's still plenty for a mom to do even when the children are in class. There are the checkups, activities, etc, as I noted before that can be accomplished without the stress of racing from work to school to the appointment. Plus there's the daily tasks that need to be accomplished to keep a family running as smoothly as possible.
I refuse to denigrate any woman who chooses family above career. It's a tough choice, either way. I've had my share of judgemental folks who've looked down their noses at me for working outside the home. As for Mrs. Romney, well, goodness, careers were not encouraged for women while she was being raised. I recall being a small child (1969) and being told that I wouldn't need a college education because I'd be raising children. Fast forward about 8 years & there's all this talk about having a career & doing it all (1977). It was rather confusing just for my generation. Why is anyone dogging her about her family's decision? Who did she harm with this choice?
And for the record, I am rather liberal in my views (and conservative in much of my behavior). I refuse to make sweeping generalizations about those with differing viewpoints.
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Post by Kordax on Apr 14, 2012 8:12:17 GMT -5
Bt attacking the worth of stay-at-home mothers in 2012, I wonder what gain/loss the Democrat Party will realize when it comes to the F-male vote? Non-working mothers (outside the home) were routinely ridiculed, attacked, marginalized & dismissed by the NOW types back in the 60's/70's, but most women have moved on past the female-centricity mindset of man-hating womyn's movement types. Nice to see the Dems ressurect some of the old skool womyn group-thingk when it somes to motherhood .....
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 14, 2012 11:01:11 GMT -5
"Wooeee! lookie thar LR, more blather!"
All I see is confirmation of your idiocy.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 14, 2012 11:28:59 GMT -5
Then stop looking in mirrors.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Apr 14, 2012 17:57:21 GMT -5
Wooeee! lookie thar LR, more blather! Is that your only reflection on this weighty matter?
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 14, 2012 19:53:04 GMT -5
Is that crap YOUR considered opinion? On what?
Raising (not breeding) children is a monumentally important task too often failed by parents of any or no political orientation who do not take their responsibilities seriously, resulting in un(der)socialized, irresponsible, self-absorbed beasts who care only for themselves or "their" group and who demean and denigrate all others. The pissing contest of whether or not staying home a/o parenting is REALLY a job is a waste of time, as is insisting that being remunerated is the benchmark for an effort being a job. Rosen was a moron for her remarks in general, and in particular for launching a personal attack. But that's our America as evidenced by politics and so many posts on this board. Now, Tsavo, ol' buddy, aside from your overgeneralized, inaccurate and baseless screed attacking a non-existent group, do YOU have any input as to the topic of the thread?
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Post by Half-Tard on Apr 14, 2012 20:03:54 GMT -5
If you listen to the whole quote she was spot on. When has Romney had to worry about working and raising kids paying bills etc... It was easy for Romney with a staff of twenty.
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Post by Half-Tard on Apr 14, 2012 20:05:02 GMT -5
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 15, 2012 14:15:55 GMT -5
Rosen is still a moron. Attacking the spouse or family of a candidate is a meaningless exercise in obnoxiousness. Additionally, it was a tactically moronic attack, potentially alienating stay-at-home parents. She should be marginalized if not fired. That a canditate is classistly clueless is fair game. Spouses and family, at most, might reflect the candidates taste/choice/judgement.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 15, 2012 14:20:55 GMT -5
My bad. I mistakenly thought Rosen was associated with the Obama campaign. Since she's only a talking head, she should suffer no consequences beyond her well deserved noteriety. The moron.
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Post by Warkitty on Apr 16, 2012 5:16:33 GMT -5
Considering within a week Romney decreed that single mothers getting any federal assistance should have to also get a paying job to qualify, I daresay HE doesn't consider it work either.
Both are using women as a political tool. I know I'm paying attention to which candidates think my body public property and my mind too "feeble" to make decisions for myself and which candidates don't. Considering one party has a candidate that blundered into the morality of a woman's choice to remain a stay-at-home mother and the other party has been passing bills in multiple states that do amazing things like legislate all women into a state of constant pregnancy, proclaim that single mothers are abusing their children (by not being married), should stay with abusive men and maybe cook them better meals, etc... I'll take the blundering idiocy of a candidate that says being a stay-at-home mom isn't akin to having a job.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 16, 2012 15:26:15 GMT -5
How many fathers have to work two jobs to make ends meet? Especially the fathers who have to pay child support, yet don't get to see their kids. Raising kids is a job, but it doesn't preclude another job, just as a father with one job has a job, but may work another job.
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