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Post by stray on Jul 5, 2007 7:02:26 GMT -5
It depends on what you mean by 'through no fault of their own.'
There's 'getting railroaded by the man' and then there's 'the shit that everyone in prison says.'
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Post by daworm on Jul 6, 2007 8:23:25 GMT -5
Actually, the question can be simplified even further than "when is a fetus a person". At the risk of a reductio ad absurdem, isn't the real question "is life sacred", using what ever secular or non-secular connotation of "sacred" you like. First off, life itself must not be completely and totally sacred, because if we were talking about a dog or cat here, there would be no murder no matter how many puppies or kittens were in her belly. So right off the bat, there is a distinction to be made about the quality of one form of life over another. That leads to the question of what makes human life so special as compared to animal life? From a global perspective, it could easily be argued that human life is more dangerous and disruptive to the environment than any other species, and thus should be worth less than any other species. But try to tell that to the preacher man...
Who gets the most abortions, versus who have the babies? To me, too often, the answer to that is the exact opposite of what it ought to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2007 8:33:17 GMT -5
> ...what makes human life so special as compared to animal life?
or plant life or virus life(?)?
wondering, wandering, pondering.
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Post by Felix on Jul 6, 2007 8:57:33 GMT -5
Da Worm queried: Who gets the most abortions, versus who have the babies? To me, too often, the answer to that is the exact opposite of what it ought to be. I found this question interesting, so I looked up some of the data from the CDCThe information is only for the year 2000, although some comparisons are made. This report concerns only abortion, so the second part of Worm's question, who has the babies, is not here. But here is a brief summary of the abortion statistics: The highest percentages of reported abortions were for women aged <25 years (52%), women who were white (57%), and unmarried women (81%). Fifty-eight percent of all abortions for which gestational age was reported were performed at <8 weeks of gestation, and 88% were performed before 13 weeks. From 1992 (when detailed data regarding early abortions were first collected) through 2000, steady increases have occurred in the percentage of abortions performed at <6 weeks of gestation. Few abortions were performed after 15 weeks of gestation; 4.3% were obtained at 16--20 weeks and 1.4% were obtained at >21 weeks. A total of 31 reporting areas submitted data stating that they performed medical (nonsurgical) procedures, making up 1.0% of all reported procedures from the 42 areas with adequate reporting on type of procedure.
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Post by gridbug on Jul 6, 2007 9:28:09 GMT -5
If human life were sacred then we would not have corporal punishment and the military, if we had one, would only be used in defense of the country. (Whether or not you think it justified, we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, they did not attack us)
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Post by osrb on Jul 6, 2007 10:51:24 GMT -5
Sorry Grid you are incorrect with this statement. Afghanistan did attack us via al-quada(sp?). To say the the taliban did not have a connection with al-quada(sp?) would be factually incorrect. al-quada(sp?) was just another arm of the taliban. Iraq that is a different story.
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Post by stray on Jul 6, 2007 20:21:56 GMT -5
If we used our military for defense, we would have wiped Israel off the map for what they did to the USS Liberty.
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