Why polls can be good

[el Gusano]

Since politicians are concerned with re-election (and not much else in most cases), this is why polls can be good:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid continues to lag behind all potential Republican challengers in next year’s U.S. Senate race in Nevada, according to new Rasmussen Reports telephone polling in the state.

For now at least, his championing of the president’s health care plan appears to raise further red flags for the Democratic incumbent. Fifty-four percent (54%) of Nevada voters oppose the plan, while 44% favor it.

More significantly, however, those numbers include 49% who strongly oppose the plan while only 23% strongly favor it.

Reid trails due to Marxist stand

[printemps]

Dec 13, 2009 13:33:47 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

Reid trails due to Marxist stand

He's trailed since May.

Has less to do with health care than Nevada's worst-in-the-nation foreclosure rate fueled by years of outlandish hypergrowth and rising price bubble, especially in Las Vegas.

Reid's seen as weak and out of touch.

[mikeydokey]

all demoncrats are weak and out of touch

[el Gusano]

Nevada is getting 70-80% of CA's millionaires. They're less likely to be leeches, so won't vote for a Marxist like Reid.

[Scarlet&Gray]

demoncrats

What's a demoncrat?

[printemps]

Dec 13, 2009 22:16:15 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

They're less likely to be leeches, so won't vote for a Marxist like Reid.

Is that when "people band together in cities for the good of each other and to support each other?"

[el Gusano]

No, that's when people gang up to steal money from the productive, under threat of death, to "redistribute" to themselves.

Or are you talking about the productive leaving CA for a fairer tax state?

[printemps]

Dec 14, 2009 2:00:09 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

No, that's when people gang up to steal money from the productive, under threat of death, to "redistribute" to themselves.

Or are you talking about the productive leaving CA for a fairer tax state?

Poll numbers say Nevadans think Harry Reid imposed a "threat of death to steal money" to redistribute to himself? Where? Reid's a Mormon who was re-elected because it was understood he reliably brought home the bacon. Now that he is like 13,467 years old in dog years, he's being retired.

Nevada as a tax haven has not eased their recession calamities.

Unless you're Microsoft. It performs all its software development in Washington state and records its estimated $18 billion in licensing revenue per year through a corporate office in Reno, Nevada, where there is no licensing tax.

[Warkitty]

That's how my client does it. Ok, it's not a software development firm but they operate out of Washington State with corporate entity location in Nevada.

[el Gusano]

I was talking about Californians stealing the money, so the millionaires left in droves.

But then again, I'm sure you knew that's what I meant.

BTW, Nevada's economy is doing, much, much better than CA:

Nevada ranks 9th in performance and 7th in outlook

California ranks 23rd in performance and 43rd in outlook

Just a wee bit of difference there, don't you think?

[rstewart]

Are either WK's client or MicroSoft doing anything illegal? If not I don't see the problem. Or should these companies pay more than they are legally required to pay?

[el Gusano]

Not only are they not doing anything illegal, they are doing what is moral and right; keeping what is rightfully theirs to distribute how they see fit.

But CA and WA (and any state that punishes success) are shooting themselves in the foot. And with the help of Soetero, the entire nation will succumb to this fatal disease.

[Conservator]

"And with the help of Soetero, the entire nation will succumb to this fatal disease."

Gotta hand it to em' though... Brilliant plan... Appeal to the poor, and make sure their numbers continue to grow. By killing jobs, killing the dollar, raising the cost of living, taxing the hell out of the successful, and opening the borders.
As we all sit back and watch the toilet flush.

[BlackFox]

Dec 14, 2009 16:13:48 GMT -5 Conservator said:

Gotta hand it to em' though... Brilliant plan... Appeal to the poor, and make sure their numbers continue to grow. By killing jobs, killing the dollar, raising the cost of living, taxing the hell out of the successful, and opening the borders.
As we all sit back and watch the toilet flush.

Come now, you're being too modest. After all, it's the Republican party that has succesfully convinced around half the voters in this country to embrace policies that only benefit the wealthiest 1% of taxpayers. CUT CAPITAL GAINS! REDUCE CORPORATE TAXES! They must just laugh their asses off as they light cigars with $100 bills and say "They think they might get to be like us someday".

[Conservator]

All you ever hear is "tax cuts for the rich"... What if their taxes (or all of ours for that matter) were too high to begin with?
I guess it's kind of like.... "were not raising taxes, we're just going to let the Bush tax cuts run out"...

It's all 'lib spin'... Careful not to talk like them, you could be un-fairly associated...

[el Gusano]

Since the top 1% of wage earners pay about 80% of the taxes, why shouldn't they get the tax cuts?

When Dick Morris explained to Hillary that the rate cuts would raise revenue, she said, "I know, and it isn't fair! They need to pay!"

[printemps]

Dec 14, 2009 14:37:22 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

BTW, Nevada's economy is doing, much, much better than CA

I'd say ranking 35th in personal income growth pretty much shoots down your argument. Prices of resale homes, condos and new homes in Clark County fell 39.5 percent in the third quarter. By any measure, that's staggering.

Nevada's economy continues to lag the national average. And the national average ain't rockin'.

The state's one saving grace is $1200 gold.

[BlackFox]

Dec 14, 2009 16:51:27 GMT -5 Conservator said:

All you ever hear is "tax cuts for the rich"... What if their taxes (or all of ours for that matter) were too high to begin with?

They are too high for everybody, but the only ones you ever hear Republicans talking about cutting are the wealthiest and corporations. Trickle down economics lives on, even though it doesn't work.

Want to create jobs? How about cutting payroll taxes? That would put money into the hands of people who currently don't have any disposable income. They would then go out and CONSUME goods. Thereby lowering inventories and spurring manufacturing. What good does it do to cut taxes for the wealthy? Are they going to add equipment in their companies while no one is buying their goods? Are they going to suddenly go out and buy enough stuff to stimulate the economy? They can ALREADY do that if they want to.

I guess it's kind of like.... "were not raising taxes, we're just going to let the Bush tax cuts run out"...

Well, I guess if you cut taxes then, and it isn't as low a rate as sometime in the past, it's still a tax increase, huh?

It's all 'lib spin'... Careful not to talk like them, you could be un-fairly associated...

I'll take "lib spin" anyday over conservative scaremongering paranoia.

[rstewart]

Much like increasing spending on Medicaid by 3% rather than the 6% requested equals a cut.

[caryc]

Dec 13, 2009 22:48:37 GMT -5 Scarlet&Gray said:

demoncrats

What's a demoncrat?

wwjd, They're those who used to be RePugnicans!You know the part of the electorate that finally woke up and whooped John McSame

[caryc]

Dec 14, 2009 16:13:48 GMT -5 Conservator said:

"And with the help of Soetero, the entire nation will succumb to this fatal disease."

Gotta hand it to em' though... Brilliant plan... Appeal to the poor, and make sure their numbers continue to grow. By killing jobs, killing the dollar, raising the cost of living, taxing the hell out of the successful, and opening the borders.
As we all sit back and watch the toilet flush.

"Appeal to the poor..." Sir, you are of the same party that perpetually accuses Dems of being Uber-Liberal elitists.All 'strata of Americans came out in Droves to make a statement against the GOP/Get Out Please 'party'.

[Conservator]

Hey... I don't disagree with you there. They were voted out and for good reason. The had their time and didn't get enough accomplished. Had they known the Dems would do what they're doing now, maybe they would have done things differently. Either way, next years elections will be very telling. The American people have seen the alternative (what we have now) and will vote many more Repubs back in... OR they will have learned nothing from the past or present and make the same mistakes.

I heard a co-worker say to me the other day... "this President is the worst thing that's happened to our country in years". Now this is certainly debatable, but one thread of "hope" that I get from it, is this... Obama (as well as Reed & Pelosi) is doing more for the Conservative movement than any other single person could do. He's making more people interested in politics and more people educating themselves on how policy actually affects them and not just taking what they're told in school as fact...
Thanks Mr. President.

[BlackFox]

I think Obama is dropping the ball big time. The economy has been in a downward spiral for several years, and even though it seems to be leveling out now some, I don't think it has anything to do with the way Obama or Congress are doing their jobs. If anything, yes, they may be holding it back. Much of this also has to do with the Republican party acting like a bunch of third graders. America wants health insurance reform, but they clearly don't want this monstrosity that is currently being debated, which is nothing more at this point than the usual special interest giveaway. Why not do things incrementaly? Pass a bill that does away with pre-existing conditions and recission. Throw in a little tort reform to please the trial lawyer felators, and maybe some sort of tax credit for individuals or families paid directly an insurance company. It would pass and both sides could pat each other on the back. Instead, they want to try and push through everything every member ever wanted.

In the current state of affairs, nobody gives a shit about climate change. Promote clean energy with incentives. Give tax credits for energy efficiency and move on. We can revisit this when we're booming again.

A bill that cuts both the payroll tax AND capital gains taxes would pass in 5 minutes and would certainly create growth in spending. Tie it to a balanced budget amendment as soon as the economy demonstrates 4 quarters of growth. Every area of government could withstand significant cuts including, yes, the military. It's time to face the truth that we don't need a yearly defense budget larger than the rest of the world combined. Reconsile these cuts by placating the wealthy and the rest of the Republicans, by forcing people who draw welfare from the government to prove an inability to work on a monthly basis. Figure out a way to end generational welfare. It's bullshit. I personally know only two people who are on disability and they're milking the hell out of that shit.

The fact is that both parties are, and have been for a long time, screwing the hell out of us. They've turned us all on each other by party lines when in reality they both do the same shit. Special interests are running and ruining our country. What's in the best interest of the people is no longer a consideration. Just this week, a bill that would have allowed people to once again order cheaper prescription drugs from other countries was defeated. WHY?

If we don't get a viable third party this next time around, I may just drop out of the process all together. It doesn't even matter what platform they run on anymore, because once they get up there and the special interests come calling, it all goes out the window anyway.

We're not supposed to talk about Bush anymore because he's not the President. How convenient. Why not just tell it like it really is. He was not a conservative. He handed the current POTUS a shitstorm of a crashing economy and two wars to finish. Obama has responded by doing nothing good. He hasn't helped the situation at all. New boss, same as the old boss. Pisses me off.

[Conservator]

I agree!!! On almost everything!

And I heard about the bill preventing us from getting drugs from other countries... The reason I heard was for them to get big pharma. on board with the healthcare bill. I understand needing enough votes, but why do they need pharmaceutical company's "on board"? Hell... the majority of Americans aren't even on board...

[Warkitty]

they need big pharma on board so big pharma will pay them to pass the bill.

[Conservator]

exactly. the money.
and sadly, that money will not reduce the cost for us commoners...

[LimitedRecourse]

"Reconsile these cuts by placating the wealthy and the rest of the Republicans..."

There are many more rich Democrats than Republicans, especially in Congress.

[BlackFox]

Dec 17, 2009 15:00:36 GMT -5 LimitedRecourse said:

There are many more rich Democrats than Republicans, especially in Congress.

Hell, they're all rich in Congress. If not before they get there, then after.

[rstewart]

BF,

Just what would you propose the Republicans do? They attempt to participate in the Health Care Debate but are completely shut out. Should they just go along to get along? I don't think so. ANYTHING they cand do to defeat the current legislation in the Senate is ok by me. IF it passes in the Senate, then ANYTHING they can do to defeat the reconcilliation bill is also OK by me. Neither healthcare plan is acceptable to the majority of Americans. J
ust who in the hell do these politicians think they are to REQUIRE someone to purchase health insurance? NEVER in the history of this country has someone been REQUIRED to puchase an product or service, NEVER, EVER.

[BlackFox]

I agree that the bill as it stands now is completely useless.

As far as requiring people to purchase, I'm not completely informed on the subject, but the fact that a whole lot of people that don't have insurance show up at emergency rooms and then don't pay their bills, is a big factor in why hospitals charge so much and why insurance rates are as high as they are. Either require people to get insurance, or keep on requiring that me and you pay their medical bills for them. I guess we could require payment up front for services and turn people that can't pay. What's the answer? The world needs ditch diggers too, and unless the ditch digging company carries insurance on you, you can't afford it.