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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 12, 2012 12:39:05 GMT -5
My wife bought some popcorn chips called "Chip 'Ins" that are pretty tasty. They come in several flavors and are made by a company called "Popcorn Indiana." Ironically, the company is based in New Jersey. www.popcornindiana.com |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Apr 13, 2012 16:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by Warkitty on Apr 16, 2012 5:37:44 GMT -5
All good things ARE There he goes, proving his crush on me one more time. |
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Post by LimitedRecourse on May 14, 2012 17:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by professorx on Jun 1, 2012 21:21:19 GMT -5
How come so many people have celliac disease lately? :-) I heard Neal Boortz today swearing by "gluten free". Really Neal, your body was not mean to process grain? Is is statistically impossible for this many people to have an unusual condition. When did we lose our robust immune systems. I am not saying people are lying attention seekers. Kids literally die from being around peanuts. Now wheat? Sodas have to be rationed in New York? Schools ban latex ballons. When did we turn into such delicate creatures? |
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Post by Warkitty on Jun 2, 2012 5:37:23 GMT -5
Genetically altered grains is my theory. I can't say I'm celiacs, I've not been tested. I can say that I KNOW I'm gluten intolerant and I really wish I wasn't. However, I really thing a lot of these food sensitivities have gotten worse as companies like Monsanto have tinkered with their dna. We're not talking dna tampering the old fashioned way, by selective breeding. We're talking adding dna using a virus binder. In 1996 animal testing proved danger from gene spliced soybeans and brazil nuts, but in 1994 the US government decided that a GMO tomato performed so well that no further testing on GMO products was needed. It was Japan that found the problem in '96 with that one product, after people were exposed. The problem? It was proven that a percentage of the animals developed a severe allergy that caused anaphalaxys and death. Sound familiar?
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Post by professorx on Jun 3, 2012 0:48:39 GMT -5
Genetically altered grains is my theory. I can't say I'm celiacs, I've not been tested. I can say that I KNOW I'm gluten intolerant and I really wish I wasn't. However, I really thing a lot of these food sensitivities have gotten worse as companies like Monsanto have tinkered with their dna. We're not talking dna tampering the old fashioned way, by selective breeding. We're talking adding dna using a virus binder. In 1996 animal testing proved danger from gene spliced soybeans and brazil nuts, but in 1994 the US government decided that a GMO tomato performed so well that no further testing on GMO products was needed. It was Japan that found the problem in '96 with that one product, after people were exposed. The problem? It was proven that a percentage of the animals developed a severe allergy that caused anaphalaxys and death. Sound familiar? What's the alternative to modified seeds? Famine and starvation, at the least food shortages and higher prices. The same with pesticides. A while back companies wanted to radiate food to prevent food poisoning. Because it was so "scary" the idea never was implemented. How many people die or suffer because of food poisoning? A lot of this is marketing. Whole Foods, etc make a bundle off of organic and healtier foods. Truth be told, I'd probably try a gluten free pizza even if it cost more. I wouldn't make a habit of gluten free due to the lower fiber content and the increased risk that is associated with lower fiber diets. |
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Post by Warkitty on Jun 3, 2012 5:00:26 GMT -5
Nice to have that choice there Prof. Some of us aren't so lucky to say we'd like to just "try" it but not make it a habit.
The alternative? Actually there's no credible evidence to support the claim that GMO crops after the first year or so are actually any hardier or better, and since their seeds aren't viable the farmers have to buy a whole new and more expensive pile of seeds every year to keep in business. It actually *reduces* the amount of farming possible over time, not increases. Marketing by Whole Foods isn't what I'm going off here, it's the studies going on in other countries as they try to decide if they'll continue to allow the GMO crops to be raised there. More and more areas are turning them away as they see the results of their inquiries indicating a negative rather than positive impact. Perhaps the marketing you like better is from the corporations creating the GMOs.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 3, 2012 12:36:15 GMT -5
The alternative is modified farming practices. The modified seeds produce a plant that produces its own insecticide. As with spray on insecticides the bugs develop an immunity to the plant produced insecticide. So, now the seeds get modified again in an attempt to produce a plant that excretes a toxin that the bugs aren't immune to and doesn't show an obvious harm to humans or livestock.
The problem is that we are still ingesting these toxins and the harm might not be so obvious. With conventional insecticides there is at least a chance we can wash the insecticide off but with GMOs the insecticide is a part of the plant.
Then you have the Roundup ready corn. This GMO makes it real easy to just pour tons of Roundup on the fields where the corn is planted and not worry about weeds. Except Roundup is often over applied and its runoff gets into our water supplies. How do you like the thought of you and your family getting a dose of weed killer in your tap water?
And, of course, there is also the legal problems that GMOs represent. Let's say I want to grow heirloom corn and just save a portion of the crop for seed. This way I don't have to pay Monsanto for my seed and I can sell it as organic. Wind carries pollen from a Monsanto developed corn crop growing two miles away to my farm and now I'm growing a hybrid containing the Monsanto patented DNA. I can harvest that crop and sell it but not as organic. I can't save the seeds because those seeds contain Monsanto's patented DNA.
Then there is the bee population. It is becoming more and more likely that the disappearing bee colonies are disappearing due to the toxins produced from GMO crops. Want to talk famine? What do you think is going to happen when one of the major pollinators disappears due to Colony Collapse Syndrome brought on by GMO crops?
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 4, 2012 20:06:45 GMT -5
He just got replaced by Herman Cain, too.
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Post by professorx on Jun 10, 2012 16:06:51 GMT -5
He just got replaced by Herman Cain, too. I hadn't listened to him in years, the one day I do listen he is announcing his retirement. Honestly, I like Cain better. Back to food. I don't believe that Colony Collapase (bees) was caused by genetic foods, nor do I believe genetic foods have created allergies. Science does not support either argument. I thought it was supposed to conservatives that were afraid of science and scientific advances. There are no more important scientific advances than those made in food. The short version "Bees die off because of bee plaugues (viral)" and many of the nut allergies are caused by "Hygiene hypothesis". Our food supply is too clean. :-) |
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Post by Warkitty on Jun 10, 2012 19:18:09 GMT -5
Oh really?
"Doctors at Sherbrooke University Hospital in Quebec found the corn's Bt-toxin in the blood of pregnant women and their babies, as well as in non-pregnant women.i (Specifically, the toxin was identified in 93% of 30 pregnant women, 80% of umbilical blood in their babies, and 67% of 39 non-pregnant women.) The study has been accepted for publication in the peer reviewed journal Reproductive Toxicology."
"In government-sponsored research in Italy ii , mice fed Monsanto's Bt corn showed a wide range of immune responses. Their elevated IgE and IgG antibodies, for example, are typically associated with allergies and infections. The mice had an increase in cytokines, which are associated with "allergic and inflammatory responses." The specific cytokines (interleukins) that were elevated are also higher in humans who suffer from a wide range of disorders, from arthritis and inflammatory bowel disease, to MS and cancer (see chart)."
Seems it's SCIENCE that's disproving the claims that there's no danger from these GM foods, prof.
Oh yeah, also in India the animals allowed to graze on the cotton after harvest got sick and/or died by the thousands. Peer reviewed tests are showing the BT-toxin from these plants residing in mice fed GMO diets where it binds with their small intestinal tracts. Here, have a citation.
xii Vazquez et al, "Cry1Ac protoxin from Bacillus thuringiensis sp. kurstaki HD73 binds to surface proteins in the mouse small intestine," 54–58.
So much for science not backing up my theory. Seems like the scientists not on Monsanto's payroll are finding some serious problems with GMO crops.
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