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Post by professorx on Jun 3, 2012 0:23:17 GMT -5
Interesting quote by a famous American president: "Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now." www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkeconomicclubaddress.htmlWould this prominent poltician be welcomed by the modern radicalized version of his political party?
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 3, 2012 2:03:36 GMT -5
No, just as Jesus would be kicked out of most churches today.
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Post by professorx on Jun 3, 2012 12:40:12 GMT -5
No, just as Jesus would be kicked out of most churches today. Jesus was controversial in his day, so the public opinion then would match public opinion now. Also, people have changed a lot in 2000 years. With JFK there has been very little time that has passed on a historical scale... 50 years compared to 2000 years with Jesus.
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 3, 2012 12:57:08 GMT -5
The point is, that he was kicked out of synagogues in his day and the churches today condemn Judaism for that. Yet most churches today would kick out anyone who taught what he taught.
And with only 50 years since JFK, most people have forgotten that he was a tax cutting, hard right conservative by today's standards.
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Post by TNBear on Jun 3, 2012 19:18:37 GMT -5
John Kennedy was just another lying, skirt chasing (and catching for the most part) politician whose election was made possible by organized crime. He did however have charisma maximus.
By the way, as far as I am concerned the Koch brothers et al, are the same as organized crime.
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Post by frayne56 on Jun 3, 2012 19:34:06 GMT -5
John Kennedy was just another lying, skirt chasing (and catching for the most part) politician whose election was made possible by organized crime. He did however have charisma maximus. By the way, as far as I am concerned the Koch brothers et al, are the same as organized crime. I agree with your comment but to address the problem JFK spoke to really boils down to the point that we have become an entitlement society. And for any politicians to suggest cutting entitlements, is political suicide. We are fast heading down the same road as Greece and sooner or later the piper will get paid. Oh, and the piper will probably be speaking Chinese.
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 4, 2012 1:44:28 GMT -5
Please see the "by today's standards" part of my statement.
Today, the so-called conservative politician is far left of center, just not as far left as the whacko liberals politicians. Trying to outspend one another in more and more entitlements.
JFK wanted to cut taxes, but increase entitlement spending, as opposed to today's standard of soaking the rich and increasing entitlement spending drastically.
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 4, 2012 8:03:06 GMT -5
Today, the so-called conservative politician is far left of center, just not as far left as the whacko liberals politicians. Trying to outspend one another in more and more entitlements. Ronald Reagan would be drummed out of the party as a RINO these days. Obama has so far governed as a moderate Republican, and you guys portray him as the libbiest liberal that ever libbed.
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Post by gridbug on Jun 4, 2012 8:59:11 GMT -5
Obama is so totally a DINO
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Post by TNBear on Jun 4, 2012 19:51:46 GMT -5
Yup, not happy with him, scared s***less of the Republicans.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 4, 2012 20:04:09 GMT -5
Barack Hussein Obama epitomizes the best America has to offer. A young, hard-working, innovative man struggling to rise above hard-core institutional and historical racism, a visionary who, like all his brethren, improves the quality of life of any environment he's introduced into, who transcends mortal constructs of race, religion, sexual ambiguity, and moral introspection to transform human institutions into progressive, Just, righteous vessels of the Oil of Blessed Hope, anointing us all with his Christ-like qualities of humility and service. Why, if he had a Son, I would be PROUD to be his Son, and suffer the indignities he must have endured as a poor child.
shame, SHAME on you decriers!!!
HERETICS!
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 5, 2012 4:58:20 GMT -5
Don't like Obama? Scared of Romney? There's always Gary Johnson.
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Post by gridbug on Jun 5, 2012 6:40:14 GMT -5
Who? Ever hear of the Electorial College?
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 5, 2012 7:42:51 GMT -5
Tsavo! Such eloquence! Are you finally showing your true...er...colors?
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 5, 2012 8:51:45 GMT -5
Kennedy lowered the highest rates from 91% down to 70%, as well as lowering all other rates. He also had almost no national debt to worry about. Why wasn't there a huge national debt less than 20 years after the greatest war the world had ever known? Because we PAID FOR IT! Unlike today where Presidents support cutting taxes and starting 2 wars, back then they insisted that everyone feel the sacrifice of war. We also had a draft to spread the terrible effects of war throughout the population instead of multiple deployments of our volunteer force which is laying the groundwork for a huge mental health crisis, while the rest of us are told to go shopping. Don't feel bad though, you're doing your part because you've got a yellow ribbon sticker on your trunk, right next to your "Warmonger 2012" sticker.
These days, just asking to return the highest rates from 36% back to 39.5% is SOCIALISM, and class warfare, and conservative media proudly boasts about and pats on the back Americans who, because of these "confiscatory" rates, are renouncing their citizenship.
It's amazing that conservatives actually think that THEY are the modern day patriots.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 5, 2012 16:15:12 GMT -5
Ain't it the truth; that eight years of Dwight David Eisenhower that preceded the Kennedy error [sic] and "The Great Society" probably had NOTHING to do whatsoever with it---
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 5, 2012 16:16:18 GMT -5
Tsavo! Such eloquence! Are you finally showing your true...er...colors? Don't pay the ransom--I ESCAPED!
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 5, 2012 16:20:17 GMT -5
Phew! I was worried. But the staged photo gave it away, what with the way you had your finger on the President's face and all.
Welcome back!
But they only wanted $2.50
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 8, 2012 8:12:50 GMT -5
We also had a draft to spread the terrible effects of war throughout the population instead of multiple deployments of our volunteer force which is laying the groundwork for a huge mental health crisis, while the rest of us are told to go shopping. Don't feel bad though, you're doing your part because you've got a yellow ribbon sticker on your trunk, right next to your "Warmonger 2012" sticker. . Our nation should be ashamed that we "went shopping" and allowed this to happen. apnews.myway.com/article/20120608/D9V8LOVG1.html
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Post by professorx on Jun 10, 2012 16:00:47 GMT -5
He also had almost no national debt to worry about. Why wasn't there a huge national debt less than 20 years after the greatest war the world had ever known? Did you bother to read the quote? Start here "Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other." Former President Clinton also said something along the same lines last week before he sarcastically (IMO) withdrew it. Email someone at the Huffington Post and have them email you the talking points.
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