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Post by chrisbrooks on Jun 5, 2012 8:45:02 GMT -5
The recall election of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is the 3rd gubernatorial recall election in the history of our country. Today it all ends. According to the Center for Public Integrity, this recall election is the most expensive in the history of the state of Wisconsin: "More than $63.5 million has been spent by candidates and independent groups, the overwhelming majority underwritten by out-of-state sources." That is an extraordinary amount of spending. Of course, the faucet didn't just open over night, it was pried lose by a toxic mix of the United States Supreme Court and Wisconsin state law. According to the Center for Public Integrity, this record level spending was made possible by the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision which "had the effect of invalidating Wisconsin’s century-old ban on independent expenditures by corporations and unions - and a state law that allows unlimited contributions to the incumbent in recall elections." Read more at: chactivist.blogspot.com/2012/06/recall-showdown-in-wisconsin-today.html |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 5, 2012 21:23:06 GMT -5
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 5, 2012 22:08:39 GMT -5
Liberty wins!
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 6, 2012 5:59:08 GMT -5
I don't know about liberty but Scott Walker won. I'm not sure why that is of interest to anyone outside of Wisconsin.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 6, 2012 17:18:15 GMT -5
64.5 million spent by Walker..30 million from sources outside Wisconsin. Big Money won. Democracy is dying. Iraq has more of a democracy then the US...
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 6, 2012 18:16:24 GMT -5
64.5 million spent by Walker..30 million from sources outside Wisconsin. Big Money won. Democracy is dying. Iraq has more of a democracy then the US... The results are very similar to the results that originally put him in office against the same opponent. Having money to spend to get the message out is critical in an election but it is also important having the volunteers to go door to door like the unions provided to Barrett. |
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 6, 2012 20:54:10 GMT -5
The money is destroying the process. On both sides. These groups are buying elections. Why would people/Corps. who don't live in Wisconsin donate 30 million dollars? Just a nice gesture or what is the payback? Just interested. If Soros threw 30 million of his cash and the results changed would that be cool? Would that be right?
Wait until November....
Hell if these groups just donated these dollars to the states and help them fund the needs that would be money better spent.
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Post by osrb on Jun 7, 2012 8:49:18 GMT -5
64.5 million spent by Walker..30 million from sources outside Wisconsin. Big Money won. Democracy is dying. Iraq has more of a democracy then the US... But you have no problem when BO did the same thing against McCain. Can we say Hypocritical. |
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Post by gridbug on Jun 7, 2012 9:24:38 GMT -5
This is not hypocrisy at all. The Scott Walter recall was a Wisconsin issue. Obama vs McCain was a national issue.
Contributions from outside Wisconsin to buy votes is like China or Iran throwing billions into the US Presidential Election to get the president they want.
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 7, 2012 9:52:33 GMT -5
The Democrats already want Citizens United overturned. As nasty as this election is going to get with the Super Pac money, I don't think it's out of the question that there could be a bi-partisan push for a constitutional amendment doing away with corporate personhood if Obama wins. It'll bring the Republicans over.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 7, 2012 13:44:11 GMT -5
What Gridbug said. You do understand the difference national and state elections. Can you say get educated before you speak?
Point being big money is killing all electorate processes.
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Post by osrb on Jun 7, 2012 16:43:51 GMT -5
What Gridbug said. You do understand the difference national and state elections. Can you say get educated before you speak? Point being big money is killing all electorate processes. The unions where looking at this as a national referendum. If they had won they would be trying to stop all right to work states. They would keep trying for more forced unionization in all states. |
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 7, 2012 18:40:06 GMT -5
The wingnuts are touting it's a referendum on the Obama admin.
So if the Unions outspent Walker leading to a Barrett Victory you'd be fine with that?
If you answer yes your a GD liar!!!!
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Post by TNBear on Jun 7, 2012 19:31:41 GMT -5
Score one for the Koch brothers. Score 0 for Democracy. Feh!
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Post by osrb on Jun 8, 2012 6:37:52 GMT -5
Score one for the Koch brothers. Score 0 for Democracy. Feh! Score 100 for democracy and 0 for union enslavement and violence. |
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 8, 2012 6:43:08 GMT -5
Well, obviously then, one was scored for democracy when Obama was elected.
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 8, 2012 16:39:36 GMT -5
This race had implications that extended far beyond the borders of Wisconsin, hence people outside of Wisconsin participated.
And since Obama has stated (as a senator) that he wants to force every working American to contribute directly to unions, it certainly involves Obama.
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 8, 2012 16:45:01 GMT -5
More hyperbolic nonsense.
Provide a quote to support your assertion, or acknowledge that you have put your own distorting spin and emphasis on a relatively innocuous pro-union statement.
But yes, these are national issues. It has reached a point where politics on the state level has become national in impact. And PACs and campaign contribution laws make it more so.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 8, 2012 17:06:51 GMT -5
Both those statements are bullshit...But I respect your opinion as whacked out as it is....Do they have that good chronic in Texas too?
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Post by gridbug on Jun 8, 2012 17:25:52 GMT -5
This race had implications that extended far beyond the borders of Wisconsin, hence people outside of Wisconsin So I gather you would support Iran and China contributing to the US Presidential campaign? It certainly affects them. |
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 8, 2012 17:35:50 GMT -5
Well folks, as CITIZENS we can vote and participate in the elective process. That means we may contribute to elections even outside our precinct; it is considered legitimate to "influence" elections in this manner by individuals, and sadly by PACs, etc, and the travesty of Citizens United. That isn't the same as foreign contributions which, as far as I know, are not legal. So el G's first statement stands.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 8, 2012 18:17:10 GMT -5
This race had implications that extended far beyond the borders of Wisconsin, hence people outside of Wisconsin So I gather you would support Iran and China contributing to the US Presidential campaign? It certainly affects them. I can't imagine any US politician soliciting funds from the Chinese. |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 8, 2012 18:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 9, 2012 3:18:24 GMT -5
Hyperbole?
We've discussed Brad Sherman here before and his cronyism with the Kenyan born senator who has since become president.
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 9, 2012 3:21:43 GMT -5
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Post by TNBear on Jun 9, 2012 5:56:10 GMT -5
One hopes Gus will come to his senses when he realizes that the Koch Bros/Big Money have no agenda beyond fattening their wallets. Any political agenda they may seem to espouse is only a means to that end. They have truly sold their souls to Mammon.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 9, 2012 11:20:11 GMT -5
I honestly believe that the Koch brothers are doing what they do out of belief it is the best way for our country to move forward. I believe the same about George Sorros. That's one of the biggest problems I have with all the negative campaigning going on, legitimate philosophical differences get twisted by both sides to originate from malignant motivation.
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Post by TNBear on Jun 9, 2012 16:57:06 GMT -5
Yo Justin, I gotta bridge maybe you'd wanna buy.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 10, 2012 13:27:13 GMT -5
Yo Justin, I gotta bridge maybe you'd wanna buy. So anyone who has philosophical differences with you is in league with Satan? I'm cynical about a lot of things but I pray I never get to the point that I think everything I don't believe in is evil. |
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Post by TNBear on Jun 10, 2012 13:52:04 GMT -5
Not everyone, not even close. I'm not sure why you have chosen to extend my thoughts regarding the Koch bros to anyone I disagree with, although it is pretty typical of your "debate" tactics. Jeez, I don't even think Tsavo and LR are in league with Satan.
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