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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 13, 2012 12:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by apriled on Jun 13, 2012 13:04:25 GMT -5
Libertarians scare the shit out of me. The Ron Paul types are willing to throw Israel under the bus, withdraw overseas with no plan, lift drug laws in a free for all that is certain to have horrible implications on children and family. The libertarian principles are the party of selfish, their attitude is poverty has always existed, and tough it is not their problem, and the LP is far right of the Tea Party. This is how I really feel about the Libertarians, if I offend, I am just being honest. www.lp.org/platform |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 13, 2012 13:21:27 GMT -5
That's fine. I can understand and respect that. They aren't perfect and there is a number of things I disagree with them on. But, there are times Israel should be thrown under the bus. I tend to look at Democrats as being the party that wants to make sure my money takes care of the poor and wants to control how I interact with my employer. I tend to look at the Republicans as the party that wants to make sure I keep my body parts clean and that my little business poses no threat to big business. For all that can be said bad about the LP at least they want to stay out of my purse, out of my bed, let me compete in business as best I can with the big guys and they don't want to sacrifice my son on some foreign soil for some cause I have no quarrel with.
For that I rate them far more moral and just a party than the Democrats or Republicans. I find both of those parties to exemplify everything I find wrong with my country.
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Post by apriled on Jun 13, 2012 15:45:31 GMT -5
Agree, ick factor both parties. Tea, Libertarian are movements rather than party.I don't much about Natl politcs, but someone in the know said, you see theft in the millions locally, put zeros and zeros behind it for the Fed. It is really broken.
Locally, it is an exercise in futility to slow down bypassing bids and bond issue, issues, been at it since 09, they win! Steal away. It cannot be fixed.
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Post by osrb on Jun 17, 2012 10:05:49 GMT -5
Who gives a rats ass about Israel why should we care it is NOT our fight. As a former Hawk I have come to relies that. And as someone who has had the balls to put on the uniform and has been to war I can say that it at times is nesessary we have been involved in far to many that we did NOT any real reason. Let's protect our seventy before protecting othere. I do disagree with the LP on many issues but far less then the Dems or Reps.
As far as drugs let me say this I do not even drink so this is not do I can use without getting arrested. But who has the right to tell me what I can or cannot put inio MY body? The drug war does more to destroy lives then the drugs them selves. It has failed completely. We have more people in jail then any other country that cost billions to maintain. We would do better to make it legal and help with rehab it would cost less in the long run. Families are already being distroyed this would do better at getting them back together. By taking it out of the shadows and putting a spotlight on it more people especially the young would see how bad many of the drugs are and what they can do to you. It seems that the people who just want to keep going on this path are just insane. They keep doing the same thing hopping for a different result.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 17, 2012 11:09:27 GMT -5
I agree with you osrb. The drug part I agree with in part. But with the meth problem in this area that needs addressed. That's where I have conflicts. But those people are killing themselves which is fine, but they leave behind kids that we have to pay for.
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 17, 2012 11:14:46 GMT -5
Indeed. As we "pay" for the children of incompetent, lazy, irresponsible breeders.
So, what is society's role RE: the abused, neglected and unwanted children?
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 17, 2012 12:10:55 GMT -5
Good point, keep abortion legal.
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 17, 2012 12:12:57 GMT -5
I agree, at least up to the point of viability. But what of those who are birthed to the afore mentioned breeders?
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 17, 2012 12:24:15 GMT -5
I am amazed at the continuing relaxation of marijuana laws around the country this year. Polling is growing stronger and stronger for outright legalization. The lies aren't working anymore.
The prison industry, big pharmaceutical, and the law enforcement community which practices legalized theft via prohibion will fight it, but times are finally changing.
It seems that conservatives would want this to be a state issue. The fact that they don't shows they have other motivations.
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 17, 2012 12:35:11 GMT -5
Wait 'til you get the usual retort from the usual suspects.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 17, 2012 12:51:56 GMT -5
There is no answer. But we have to take care of those kids to do otherwise is awful. They didn't asked to be born with tards for parents. Wish i had the answer I really do..
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 17, 2012 12:53:37 GMT -5
They like your bible readers like to selectively pick which parts of the Constitution they agree with and support...
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 17, 2012 13:06:57 GMT -5
There are answers: let them starve, let charities take care of them (a variation on the first one, given the economy & people's willingness), forced sterilization, removal of children into publicly funded placements.
Even combined w time limited welfare, refusal of services to those who will not work, etc. there would be huge costs for the government interventions/oversight which we seem unwilling to pay.
There are answers, and I believe humane solutions, but it requires us to truly and proactively be our brother's keeper.
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 17, 2012 13:08:28 GMT -5
Query: what is a Libertarian solution to this issue?
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 17, 2012 13:42:14 GMT -5
Abortion. It's the fiscally conservative thing to do.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 17, 2012 14:22:47 GMT -5
We need stronger intervention. Some of these kids need yanked from homes yesterday. We seem to wait until a death, meth lab fire, severe abuse until we get involved. Need to pull the trigger quicker.
They take your car away on the spot if you're dealing drugs out of it. But you can keep the kids gotta get the innocent car off the street.
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 17, 2012 14:48:04 GMT -5
They only take things that have a value to them.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jun 17, 2012 15:09:47 GMT -5
+1
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 17, 2012 16:57:22 GMT -5
Query: what is a Libertarian solution to this issue? You empower social institutions and religious organizations to take charge of the children's welfare and if the neglectant parent is still around law enforcement uses appropriately strict sanctions. This is where the LP and I part ways and one of several reasons I do not belong to the Libertarian Party. I agree with them that the current child protective services model does not work. I have no problem with empowering social and religious institutions to care for the problem as well as they can but there is no way we can allow any of these children to fall through the crack should private concerns not come through. There does need to be some government oversight and some government run housing for these kids. |
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Post by ssmynkint on Jun 17, 2012 17:04:56 GMT -5
Absolutely!
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