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Post by JC on Jun 28, 2012 18:23:10 GMT -5
The GOP-led House voted Thursday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to provide key information pertaining to Operation Fast and Furious, making Holder the first sitting Cabinet member to be held in contempt. [snip] Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi argued House Republicans were more politically motivated in attacking Holder than getting to the bottom of the failed operation, in which at least two of the guns were connected to the fatal shooting of U.S. border agent Brian Terry. www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/house-holds-holder-contempt/_________________________________________ Hate to say it but Pelosi is correct. If there wasn't so much hate spewing between the sides right now, this would have never have been an issue. Regardless, this looks really, really bad for the Dems. Especially the ones that walked off the floor. Here's betting those 65 members will loose their seats... |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jun 28, 2012 21:00:54 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that it should not be illegal to be in contempt of a congress that a rational person would find to be contemptible.
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Post by wheels on Jun 29, 2012 12:48:36 GMT -5
Hate to say it but Pelosi is correct. If there wasn't so much hate spewing between the sides right now, this would have never have been an issue. i disagree. if holder had turned over the documents when they were requested LAST YEAR, this would have never been an issue. |
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Post by JC on Jun 29, 2012 14:08:23 GMT -5
Hate to say it but Pelosi is correct. If there wasn't so much hate spewing between the sides right now, this would have never have been an issue. i disagree. if holder had turned over the documents when they were requested LAST YEAR, this would have never been an issue. No, I'm not saying that Holder withholding documents wouldn't have been a big deal. I'm talking about "fast and furious" itself. This is not the first failed smuggling bust and I'm sure it will not be the last. The only reason "fast and furious" is receiving the attention that it is, is because of political gain. |
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Post by wheels on Jun 29, 2012 15:19:03 GMT -5
i disagree. if holder had turned over the documents when they were requested LAST YEAR, this would have never been an issue. No, I'm not saying that Holder withholding documents wouldn't have been a big deal. I'm talking about "fast and furious" itself. This is not the first failed smuggling bust and I'm sure it will not be the last. The only reason "fast and furious" is receiving the attention that it is, is because of political gain. the fact that a US border patrol agent and around 200 mexican citizens were killed by these guns has nothing to do with it? this was not simply a failed smuggling bust. our government allowed guns to be trafficked to the drug cartels. our government's actions led to the deaths of a US citizen and a couple hundred mexican citizens. you don't think that's worthy of an investigation? this is what the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is there for. they provide oversight for the federal government. they've investigated many scandals in which no one lost their lives, like the abramoff investigation and the plame leak investigation. they've even investigated steroid use in major league baseball and WWE wrestling. i'd say fast and furious is a prime example of the types of things this committee should be investigating. |
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Post by JC on Jun 29, 2012 16:07:08 GMT -5
I didn't say F&F is insignificant. I said that it is only receiving the attention it is because of the current political climate.
There have been many lives lost in law enforcement and the military due to failed operations against drug cartels.
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Post by wheels on Jul 2, 2012 12:47:25 GMT -5
I didn't say F&F is insignificant. I said that it is only receiving the attention it is because of the current political climate. if you're talking about media attention, i'm sure you are correct. There have been many lives lost in law enforcement and the military due to failed operations against drug cartels. there is a colossal difference b/n a failed operation and an operation where protocol was broken. if protocol is broken and someone dies, then an investigation is certainly warranted. |
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Post by Half-Tard on Jul 2, 2012 13:35:00 GMT -5
DOJ will not enforce the contempt charge..Nice grandstanding though
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Post by osrb on Jul 2, 2012 13:36:41 GMT -5
It seems highly hypocritical of the dems to be blocking this. They though a fit and wanted people executed for when an id of a low level CIA analyst got out to the press only to find out that it there was no crime committed. Now they block at every step where a Border Patrol officer gets killed and thousands of firearms get sent to a foreign country where thousands of people have been killed. Holder is responsible for this since his people in the DOJ that caused this. What is he hiding who is he protecting.
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Post by ssmynkint on Jul 2, 2012 14:34:18 GMT -5
The standard for American politics. Business as usual. Nothing to see, move along..
The leaking of cia agent's name was despicable and was covered up. It does appear there is a cover-up in this weapons cluster-fuck, although Holder seems to have been trying to get to it early on. What is really sick is withholding immigration info from Fla. who, taken at their word, are only trying to remove non-citizens from election rolls.
But it's way past time when either party can claim the high ground. Although I must say I have been impressed with Republican unity and sense of purpose in doing all it can to defeat Obama no matter the cost to the citizenry and country.
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Post by Half-Tard on Jul 2, 2012 14:43:50 GMT -5
What was Cheney hiding who was he protecting? He was court ordered to show who was on his energy commision and what was the energy policy. He never to this day has provided that info.. Shot goes on all the time i'm used to it, both sides play the game you know it and I know it..Just bugs wingnuts since it's a Democrat in office. Didn't bother the wingnuts when Cheney played and still plays his game..
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Post by osrb on Jul 2, 2012 15:00:41 GMT -5
In other words politics as usual for both parties. Or are you saying the dems do not do the same thing?
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Post by ssmynkint on Jul 2, 2012 15:12:46 GMT -5
I can not recall the dems totally devoting themselves to the defeat of a sitting President (as McConnell declared his intent) no matter the cost to the citizens or country the way the repubs have. And, in terms of the ACA, the idea of individual mandate was a repub idea, implemented (with success) by Romney and endorsed (in the past) by leading repubs who only changed their tune when the dems enacted it.
AND, by any and all meaningful measures, the systems of England, Canada, Switzerland and the northern European states are much more successful then the "market driven" U.S. model.
AND, it's distressing that so many states are willing to "opt out" of increased enrollments, thus depriving their uninsured citizens needed medical care and likely bankrupting "charity" hospitals in the process (think: Erlanger) rather then raise taxes. Social Darwinism at it's worst.
But yes, it's politics as usual.
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