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Post by Conservator on May 17, 2013 22:39:53 GMT -5
I won't jump the gun, but if the facts show Obama ordered the IRS stuff, I'll be the first to say "Impeach". Fuck him. "If the facts show"... Well played... Not likely that they would turn over actual evidence. But, smart to leave yourself a way out. The current admin is looking like the most corrupt admin in my lifetime (if not EVER). Everything those like me have been said to be paranoid of, fearful of, conspiracy theorizing of... is literally being revealed.
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Post by Justin Thyme on May 18, 2013 11:02:51 GMT -5
Never attribute to malice what can more easily be explained by incompetence. "We're portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots," said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. "It's actually closer to us being idiots." ~Officials on Benghazi: "We made mistakes, but without malice"
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Post by Half-Tard on May 18, 2013 12:46:37 GMT -5
I thought you were older explains your ignorance. Back a long time ago we had a President Nixon...google it youngman
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Post by BlackFox on May 18, 2013 13:06:48 GMT -5
I won't jump the gun, but if the facts show Obama ordered the IRS stuff, I'll be the first to say "Impeach". Fuck him. "If the facts show"... Well played... Not likely that they would turn over actual evidence. But, smart to leave yourself a way out. The current admin is looking like the most corrupt admin in my lifetime (if not EVER). Everything those like me have been said to be paranoid of, fearful of, conspiracy theorizing of... is literally being revealed. So convict without evidence?
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Post by BlackFox on May 18, 2013 13:22:16 GMT -5
. The current admin is looking like the most corrupt admin in my lifetime (if not EVER). Everything those like me have been said to be paranoid of, fearful of, conspiracy theorizing of... is literally being revealed. Imagine Obama trading arms for hostages with Iran in order to fund a secret war. How would that compare? It's telling that Reagan's man on that crime, Oliver North, is not rotting in prison as a traitor, but is instead a conservative hero.
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Post by Justin Thyme on May 18, 2013 16:31:21 GMT -5
Maybe the reason North isn't rotting away in a prison is because he is a highly decorated war veteran who was instrumental in the capture of Leon Klinghoffer's murderers. Also, during North's trial the prosecution didn't follow the rules and put witnesses on the stand that had been influenced by testimony North gave before Congress that he had been given immunity over.
Is Oliver North a hero? Of course he is and he has the medals he was given as a U.S. Marine to prove it. Is he a villain? Of course he is the facts disclosed under his own testimony gives proof to that. However, all that is in the past. What is he today? A Fox News mouthpiece and a pretty good historian.
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Post by Conservator on May 20, 2013 10:53:03 GMT -5
Either way... It's telling that we're now debating how corrupt this admin is - meaning we must all agree that it is corrupt And were there other scandals, yeah... but if you add up all the bone headed moves, cover ups & lies... Yeah, I'll go out on that limb and say this admin will go down as one of the most corrupt. What compounds things for me is I think Obama may not have won a 2nd term if the details of all these scandals were brought to light before the election and covered properly by the press/media.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on May 20, 2013 13:40:37 GMT -5
It is always "Yeah, our guy is bad, but remember what YOUR guy did?" when any politician is caught in corruption. It would be refreshing for one of them to just say "Yes, I did this. I am ashamed and I apologize. My resignation will take effect immediately." Never going to happen, but it would be refreshing.
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Post by Justin Thyme on May 20, 2013 17:35:24 GMT -5
I don't agree there. I think "inept" is a much better word.
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Post by BlackFox on May 21, 2013 8:31:29 GMT -5
Either way... It's telling that we're now debating how corrupt this admin is - meaning we must all agree that it is corrupt Uh..no. At least not any more than any previous administrations. I'm not sure about the overall administration, but I would absolutely say that the executive is "aloof". I'm all about delegation, but he says he learns about everything by watching tv. Anyway, he's responsible for actions taken by his team. His approval rating is going up. I think it has to do with republicans crying wolf every day for the last 4 years. The public has come to expect it, and has become indifferent.
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Post by Conservator on May 21, 2013 15:55:35 GMT -5
Inept...Aloof... Incompetent... Lower level coruption... Come on. That's what they would like you to think! Thought you two are/were supposed to be the smart & level headed ones on this board.
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Post by Conservator on May 21, 2013 16:00:09 GMT -5
Nice... so he is looking more and more like the wolf we've said he was, and instead of getting a "you were right", I get "you cried wolf too much". Thanks. Again... sounds like an admission in a round about way
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Post by BlackFox on May 22, 2013 7:18:45 GMT -5
That's what they would like you to think! Sounds like Limbaugh beginning to rub off on you.
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Post by BlackFox on May 22, 2013 7:28:00 GMT -5
Nice... so he is looking more and more like the wolf we've said he was, and instead of getting a "you were right", I get "you cried wolf too much". Thanks. Again... sounds like an admission in a round about way The plural of anecdote is not data. There's a whole lot of assuming going on from the right about how high any of this stuff goes up. When you're right, I'll say your right. You're trying to declare victory in the second quarter. I wish the right had been nearly as rabid when U.S Embassies/ Consulates were attacked 13 or so times a few years ago. Or had been as angry about sending thousands of Marines to die in a war of choice for a lie as they are about a Marine holding an umbrella.
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Post by Conservator on May 22, 2013 10:52:00 GMT -5
You have a good point to wait for the facts... problem is, the complete truth will never come out. More lies, some pleading the 5th... and as more time goes on... other big news events happen... and with the help of most the media in this country, American's will care less and less, and we'll just chalk em all up as corrupt, right? Bengazzi should have effects on Hillary's run - but it won't. She was caught lying... Yeah, she sent Rice out to lie for her... but we all know what happened there. Why they didn't give the proper protection that was requested multiple times - we'll never know. If any other lives lost that were preventable in those other 13 consulate attacks you mention, I'd like to know about those too. As for a war based on a "lie"... Do you have evidence it was a "lie"? Evidence. All I watch is FoxNews & CNN occasionally, so maybe I missed it. Evidence where you know that the Bush admin knew there were no WMDs, yet still said there were? We all know they didn't find any. But evidence it was a lie and not bad info...? And you're saying not to assume anything with Bengazzi, wire taps on the conservatives & FoxNews & the IRS's Tea Party tax scrutiny and withholding tax exempt status'...
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Post by BlackFox on May 22, 2013 12:38:33 GMT -5
You have a good point to wait for the facts... problem is, the complete truth will never come out. More lies, some pleading the 5th... and as more time goes on... other big news events happen... and with the help of most the media in this country, American's will care less and less, and we'll just chalk em all up as corrupt, right? Bengazzi should have effects on Hillary's run - but it won't. She was caught lying... Yeah, she sent Rice out to lie for her... but we all know what happened there. Why they didn't give the proper protection that was requested multiple times - we'll never know. If any other lives lost that were preventable in those other 13 consulate attacks you mention, I'd like to know about those too. As for a war based on a "lie"... Do you have evidence it was a "lie"? Evidence. All I watch is FoxNews & CNN occasionally, so maybe I missed it. Evidence where you know that the Bush admin knew there were no WMDs, yet still said there were? We all know they didn't find any. But evidence it was a lie and not bad info...? And you're saying not to assume anything with Bengazzi, wire taps on the conservatives & FoxNews & the IRS's Tea Party tax scrutiny and withholding tax exempt status'... Choosing to only rely on intelligence that supports their narrative, and disregarding intelligence that points the opposite way justified calling what they fed the American people a lie. There's plenty of info on this out there. As soon as 9/11 happened, they started preparing to invade Iraq. They reached a conclusion and then sought evidence to justify it.
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