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Post by CMF Newsman on Mar 29, 2007 9:00:09 GMT -5
The Smoke-Free Tennessee coalition on Wednesday launched a major public initiative to make all Tennessee workplaces, including restaurants and bars, smoke-free to protect all Tennessee workers and the public from the serious health hazards of secondhand smoke. The campaign in support of Gov. Phil Bredesen’s smoke-free workplace legislation kicks off April 2 with a rally at Legislative Plaza and a statewide tour involving First Lady Andrea Conte, Commissioner of Health Susan Cooper and a broad coalition of supporters, officials said. The tour will travel to numerous Tennessee cities "to build awareness about the dangers of secondhand smoke as a leading cause of lung cancer and heart disease and other serious respiratory illnesses that kills more than 1,000 non-smoking Tennesseans each year." www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_104419.asp
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Post by gridbug on Mar 29, 2007 9:12:34 GMT -5
Get ready for a return to "Smoking in the Boys Room"
I have been a non-smoker long enough that I have come to dislike smoke-filled bars. Still, the thought of all bars smokeless just does not sound right.
Why does the government see the need to protect me from everything (but the government)?
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Post by one on Mar 29, 2007 9:24:08 GMT -5
Offensive odor they say............ If they wanna ban something, ban Bikinis over size 12. I'd rather huff smoke fumes than see that.
My campaign for a less offensive world starts there.
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Post by Kordax on Mar 29, 2007 9:33:47 GMT -5
"to build awareness about the dangers of secondhand smoke as a leading cause of lung cancer..."
What if an "improve-public-helath" group toured the country preaching about eliminating gay male sex "to build awareness about the dangers" of that lifestyle?
The pathologies associated with AIDS/HIV shorten life expectancies far more than long-term smoking does -- would the state promote a group like that the same way they're promoting the anti-smoking people?
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Post by voxpopuli on Mar 29, 2007 11:04:30 GMT -5
Walter Williams, as always, frames the debate clearly: The largest losers of America's anti-tobacco crusade aren't tobacco companies and smokers, it's the American people who are incrementally giving up private property rights. You say, "Hold it, Williams, I agree that people have the right to smoke and harm themselves, but they don't have the right to harm others with those noxious tobacco fumes!" Let's look at it, because harm is a two way street. If you're allergic to tobacco smoke or just find its odor unpleasant, and I smoke in your presence, I harm and annoy you. However, if I'm prohibited from smoking a cigarette in your presence, I'm harmed because of a denial of what I find a pleasurable experience. There's an obvious conflict. One of us is harmed. How can it be resolved? There are several ways. You might consider the harm I suffer trivial compared to yours. You could organize a sufficiently large number of people and lobby lawmakers to enact smoking bans in bars, restaurants and workplaces. Alternatively, I might consider the harm you suffer trivial, and organize a bunch of people and lobby lawmakers to mandate that smoking be permitted in bars, restaurants and workplaces. Let's think about this for a moment. If you owned a restaurant, and did not allow smoking, wouldn't you find it offensive if a law were enacted requiring you to permit smoking? I'm guessing you'd deem such a law tyranny. After all, you'd probably conclude, it's your restaurant, and if you don't want smoking it's your right. Similarly, I'd deem it just as offensive if smoking were allowed in my restaurant and a law were enacted banning smoking in restaurants. www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams111903.aspThe true test on whether a law is just or not is to turn it around and see if it still seems "right". These laws do not pass that test, as Walter so eloquently notes.
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Post by gridbug on Mar 29, 2007 11:20:13 GMT -5
Outlaw obiesity first - it is the biggest threat to public health. If public health is actually your interest... As soon as nobody is fat we'll take on the homosexuals.
Isn't any sex outside wedlock already illegal in TN through archaic laws still on the books? If so just ticket the fags for tailgating.
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 29, 2007 20:34:49 GMT -5
Offensive odor they say............ If they wanna ban something, ban Bikinis over size 12. I'd rather huff smoke fumes than see that. My campaign for a less offensive world starts there. I'll be sure never to wear a bikini around you then. (not that I would anyway.....)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2007 20:41:51 GMT -5
In which hand would you be holding it?
Not that it makes a lot of difference, really.
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 29, 2007 20:46:41 GMT -5
The one that isn't about to smack you.
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Post by one on Mar 29, 2007 21:08:26 GMT -5
I'll be sure never to wear a bikini around you then. (not that I would anyway.....) You know the first line hurt, but the second one cut to the bone. And errrrr........Aren't in that one percentile that actually stays in shape?
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 29, 2007 21:20:09 GMT -5
Hey, you're the one that made a specific size limit I can't meet (depending on the manufacturer). I may try to stay in shape, but no matter what I'll always be a big girl.
Besides, I don't wear bikinis.
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Post by gridbug on Mar 29, 2007 21:28:49 GMT -5
Maybe not a bikini, but I'll never get a particular Xena costume out of my head...
Good thing too - it still makes me grin...
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 29, 2007 21:41:12 GMT -5
Since I've never worn one, I think you're smokin crack.
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Post by one on Mar 29, 2007 22:07:40 GMT -5
mmmm crack. crack for everyone! ...... who want's to go down to their birth weight?
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Post by one on Mar 29, 2007 22:10:32 GMT -5
Hey, you're the one that made a specific size limit I can't meet (depending on the manufacturer). I may try to stay in shape, but no matter what I'll always be a big girl. Besides, I don't wear bikinis. Female body builders legs are bigger than ME. We don't speak of super humans like yourself and others that can leg press a volvo. Just sticking with the majority here.......
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Post by Jay on Mar 29, 2007 22:22:49 GMT -5
I want proof! This post is worthless without pics ~J Maybe not a bikini, but I'll never get a particular Xena costume out of my head... Good thing too - it still makes me grin...
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Post by erinslion on Mar 29, 2007 22:48:28 GMT -5
>>However, if I'm prohibited from smoking a cigarette in your presence, I'm harmed because of a denial of what I find a pleasurable experience.<<
Hallelujah!
See, I *love* having wild sex with beautiful women. Unfortunately, some uptight fascists have made that sort of conduct illegal in the bars and restaurants of this, our fine city. Seems some people might be offended by it, or find it inappropriate behavior (lewd and lascivious? You betcha!) and there I go, being harmed by our lawmakers refusal to let me pursue something that gives me pleasure.
Wait, what? Actually, I'm not sure the denial of "pleasure" necessarily constitutes harm... Smoking in the presence of people who are allergic or sensitive to smoke can result in difficulty breathing, headache, nausea, irritation of mucosa and a god-awful stench that clings to your hair and clothes for hours afterwards. My baby's mama, for instance, is severely asthmatic and even limited exposure to cigarette smoke can cause her chest to seize up in a way that is genuinely frightening. In my opinion, the respiratory distress and physical symptoms constitute actual harm, where as your aggravation at not being able to light up where you want does not.
Honestly, I don't know exactly where I stand on this issue. I don't smoke, I hate cigarette smoke and I hate being around it, but I would not deny you your right to do it and as a rule I am opposed to government intervention in these matters. It is fairly well known that I pursue the diversions and pleasures that suit me regardless of what the community in general or our friends in law enforcement have to say so I'm not about to be the one to wag my finger and say, "No, you better not do that!!!" but I do feel compelled to say that you're going to have to construct better arguments than suggesting that being denied smoking privileges harms you.
After all, no one is trying to stop you from smoking in the privacy of your own home with a consenting cigarette of legal age.
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Post by one on Mar 29, 2007 22:52:15 GMT -5
In San Francisco smoking has been outlawed in public for over a decade.
You can smoke the baloney pony, but not a friggin marlboro.
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Post by Jay on Mar 29, 2007 23:36:17 GMT -5
What I don't understand is how they can outlaw smoking in bars and stuff... Smoking and drinking go hand in hand ~J
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Post by gridbug on Mar 30, 2007 6:47:03 GMT -5
Most work places are generally smoke free already, have been for years. I do NOT miss smoky offices. But there is just something about a smoke-free bar that does not sound right.
I may go to one just because they are not so stinky, but its just not right...
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 30, 2007 7:03:54 GMT -5
I may go to a smokeless bar, if I ever go to a bar again.
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Post by gridbug on Mar 30, 2007 7:10:45 GMT -5
I say it does not sound right, but to be honest the typical bar funk keeps me away. It has been too long, I would just as well avoid the smoke.
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Post by whimdriven on Mar 30, 2007 7:42:05 GMT -5
So the necessity of the rampant gay bashing in this thread is what?
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Post by gridbug on Mar 30, 2007 8:17:41 GMT -5
Duh Whim - brits call cigarettes "fags"
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Post by whimdriven on Mar 30, 2007 8:36:54 GMT -5
This is more what I was talking about ...
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Post by gridbug on Mar 30, 2007 8:43:25 GMT -5
Hey - Kordax started it - calling homosexual sex a threat to public health... A tangent for a tangent B)
And One just likes an excuse to say "baloney pony", but who doesn't?
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Post by Jay on Mar 30, 2007 18:56:33 GMT -5
I hadn't heard of baloney pony before..........I've heard of meat cigar, heh ~J
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