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Post by mightejoe on Sept 24, 2008 13:37:26 GMT -5
Who's brilliant idea was it to gravel pave Mountain Creek Road? grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  |
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Post by NewsShooter on Sept 24, 2008 14:21:44 GMT -5
Just did a story about that for Channel 3 www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9071116 . This is a low-cost "pavement preservation" technique that is supposedly superior to the old chip & seal method. They spray a layer of "emulsion" (tar and oil) then spread some fine gravel on it while it's still liquid. As the liquid hardens, the gravel embeds more or less permanently. The excess gravel is then "swept" away and the remainder is pounded into the surface by passing car tires. The road should be tightly compacted in a month or so, according to the city's paving manager. This method costs $1.75 per square yard as opposed to a full black-topping which costs $8.75 per square yard and likely to go up even higher as oil prices climb. According to the guy we talked to, this should protect the current pavement underneath for 5-10 years. All I know is we came away from the story with a ton of gravel and oil stuck to our tires and lots of gravel pitting the paint on the side of the car and making a mess of the undercarriage! |
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 24, 2008 14:24:12 GMT -5
At least you have pavement!
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Post by tuffmustang on Sept 24, 2008 14:53:52 GMT -5
Was that you near the "t" around noon today newsshooter?
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Post by SunnyKC on Sept 24, 2008 15:00:31 GMT -5
Some guy on Atlanta Avenue called in this morning to the village idiots... Seems funny that most of the city is now getting the crap road treatment....
Has anyone been on Frazier Avenue lately? Noticed the nice new BLACKTOP?
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Sept 24, 2008 15:08:31 GMT -5
Guests will always be treated better than family.
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Post by Tookie on Sept 24, 2008 16:06:30 GMT -5
The excess gravel is then "swept" away and the remainder is pounded into the surface by passing car tires
Could they not use one of those pavement rollers to pack it down more instead of relying on cars to pack it down.
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Post by joedog on Sept 24, 2008 18:15:16 GMT -5
I KNOWS NOTHZING!!!!!
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Post by TNBear on Sept 24, 2008 18:56:39 GMT -5
All that gravel flying around is great for the auto replacement glass businesses.
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Post by scanchattanooga on Sept 24, 2008 19:35:29 GMT -5
Chip seal is fine for country farm roads. Not heavily-traveled roads in urban areas. I was still slinging this crap out from underneath my car over 25 miles later (went up the mountain on the W Road, and came down Roberts Mill). Most of the rock has been slung loose but there's still tar stuck all over my tires and likely the undercarriage.
It'd be nice if the city would tell us which roads they intend to destroy in this manner so we can avoid these areas for a few months.
I have to periodically go up to Signal Mountain for work, I'll certainly NOT be taking Mountain Creek Road anytime soon on my way.
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Post by Warkitty on Sept 24, 2008 20:06:13 GMT -5
You'll want to avoid Pineville too.
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Post by scanchattanooga on Sept 24, 2008 20:29:53 GMT -5
Funny you should mention Pineville; I used to live up there at the apartments on top of the hill.
Bet it's a mess with all that loose gravel and those steep grades.
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Post by joedog on Sept 24, 2008 20:54:53 GMT -5
It'd be nice if the city would tell us which roads they intend to destroy in this manner so we can avoid these areas for a few months. For the media types. You may be able to get that list by contacting the public works director. |
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Post by Babs on Sept 24, 2008 23:33:38 GMT -5
Hey, Scan, are you talking about Windridge? I've lived there twice in 15 years. Great place. Moccasin Bend Rd. is a mess as well. Gravel flying everywhere. Our chief of staff didn't even know they were going to pave.
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Post by dvc on Sept 25, 2008 2:45:08 GMT -5
The excess gravel is then "swept" away and the remainder is pounded into the surface by passing car tiresCould they not use one of those pavement rollers to pack it down more instead of relying on cars to pack it down. That would make too much sense. |
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Post by gridbug on Sept 25, 2008 6:36:08 GMT -5
I saw this on the news last night  Rural roads maybe, but that is NOT the way to make a city road. I was wondering the same - why not pack it better? Spend just a little more and get it right. |
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Post by Laura Rice on Sept 25, 2008 7:04:57 GMT -5
We have pavement now on our side of Ashland Terrace! YEAH!!!  |
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Post by k78 on Sept 25, 2008 7:45:25 GMT -5
We have pavement now on our side of Ashland Terrace! YEAH!!! Thank goodness, have they removed all the barrels? |
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Post by Laura Rice on Sept 25, 2008 7:52:36 GMT -5
We have pavement now on our side of Ashland Terrace! YEAH!!! Thank goodness, have they removed all the barrels? No... The barrels are still there! It still is like driving a maze! |
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Post by NewsShooter on Sept 25, 2008 9:31:41 GMT -5
Yes, Tuffmustang, that was me at the "T." The reason they don't use a steamroller or other device to pack it down is that to be effective, it would have to be packed down when the tar is wet, then it would all "squish" out. After that, all you're doing is breaking up the rock into smaller pieces which are even easier to sling. I agree with all. It's a horrible idea, but may be the only thing the city cane do short of ignoring the streets altogether, which is also not an option. And Joedog ... I had thought of that as well, and the person we interviewed said he would send us a list to post on our website for folks to see, but he never came through. And the city doesn't have such information on their website, either. The story is here www.wrcbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9071116 |
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Post by mightejoe on Sept 25, 2008 14:30:20 GMT -5
Channel 9 is on it. They approached me while I was getting gas after lunch - I declined to go on TV with my bitching.
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Post by NewsShooter on Sept 25, 2008 15:40:58 GMT -5
Besides, you don't want to go on Channel 9, that would be "slumming" it.
(Wink to all my friends at the snooze-channel)
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Post by gridbug on Sept 26, 2008 17:02:56 GMT -5
Hooray! They've ditched this program because everyone hated it  |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Sept 26, 2008 17:20:22 GMT -5
For the time being. Chattanooga residents, you voted for some of these clowns who think up this stuff. A little more attention to detail at election time next, please?
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Post by joedog on Sept 26, 2008 18:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Police Moderator on Sept 27, 2008 6:14:35 GMT -5
Littlefield Suspends Controversial Chip Seal Resurfacing
City Judge, Others Said It Was Messy, Unsafe
posted September 26, 2008 "In response to public concern," Mayor Ron Littlefield has instructed the city Public Works Department to suspend the chip seal process of resurfacing area roads. The chip seal resurfacing process is an application of an asphalt mixture followed with an aggregate rock or gravel cover. The mayor's office said, "Chip seal has many positive objectives including providing skid resistance and a moisture barrier to prevent future deterioration. The chip seal process costs $19,000 per mile and has a life expectancy of 7-12 years. Alternatively, mill and overlay resurfacing cost $112,000 per mile and has a life expectancy of 10-15 years. “Chip seal resurfacing is a reliable method for paving or resurfacing streets. Because all resurfacing requires asphalt, a petroleum product, and considering the drastic price increases we are currently facing, chip seal is a responsible use of taxpayer dollars.
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Post by joedog on Sept 27, 2008 6:46:59 GMT -5
chip seal is a responsible use of taxpayer dollars. In a developed, incorporated mid-sized city? On a side note....... climbing out on a limb here The budget next year will have more than a few up in arms. Largest tax increase on both the city and county side.  |
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Post by Warkitty on Sept 27, 2008 7:03:25 GMT -5
Increased costs means increased need for money. Naturally, the gov't looks to us to provide that cash. Sadly, none of us can afford it.
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Post by CMF Newsman on Sept 27, 2008 9:14:56 GMT -5
"In response to public concern," Mayor Ron Littlefield has instructed the city Public Works Department to suspend the chip seal process of resurfacing area roads. The chip seal resurfacing process is an application of an asphalt mixture followed with an aggregate rock or gravel cover. The mayor's office said, "Chip seal has many positive objectives including providing skid resistance and a moisture barrier to prevent future deterioration. The chip seal process costs $19,000 per mile and has a life expectancy of 7-12 years. Alternatively, mill and overlay resurfacing cost $112,000 per mile and has a life expectancy of 10-15 years." “Chip seal resurfacing is a reliable method for paving or resurfacing streets. Because all resurfacing requires asphalt, a petroleum product, and considering the drastic price increases we are currently facing, chip seal is a responsible use of taxpayer dollars." www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_135928.asp |
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Post by mandrake on Sept 27, 2008 21:10:57 GMT -5
I drove down Norcross today, What a mess!! The homeowners on either side should be furious about the gravel encroachment. The road is noisy, and looks like rural Georgia. What a bunch o' frappin idiots. What could be next?
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