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Post by Chattanooga Police on Mar 27, 2009 16:04:03 GMT -5
03/27/09
Early this morning around 1:45 am Chattanooga Police were called to a traffic accident at 700 Georgia Ave, upon arrival officers found a 2004 Mercedes that was driven by an off duty police officer had crashed into a pole, this pole fell and struck the windshield of a 2008 Honda Element SUV that was traveling south on Georgia Ave. No injuries reported in accident.
Officer Josh Turner a 3 year veteran was placed under arrest for Driving Under the Influence at the scene. Officer Turner has been relieved of duty pending an Internal Affairs Investigation.
Because there will be an Internal Affairs investigation underway, no other details can be released from the PIO office.
Lt. Kim Noorbergen
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Post by duke on Mar 27, 2009 16:58:46 GMT -5
With or without pay?
With pay makes sense for line of duty investigations. But off duty in what appears to be obvious illegal activity?
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Post by joedog on Mar 27, 2009 17:09:51 GMT -5
Usually, relieved of duty means without.
But we are talking about.... nevermind
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Post by frayne on Mar 27, 2009 17:48:52 GMT -5
Driving a Mercedes ? Must be one of Goodine's trainees !
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Mar 27, 2009 19:57:56 GMT -5
Thank goodness he wasn't hurt. His higher standard defense will clear him of all charges.
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Post by cadillacdude1975 on Mar 28, 2009 5:26:05 GMT -5
it just escapes me as to why he did not call for a ride. how stupid.
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Post by duke on Mar 28, 2009 7:47:14 GMT -5
it just escapes me as to why he did not call for a ride. how stupid. Because he had not made up his mind BEFORE going to a place where drinks were available, that if he had more than X number of drinks he would call for a ride. Waiting to determine fitness to drive until after the drinks start will result in the wrong decision. |
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Post by bhmc449 on Mar 28, 2009 7:48:38 GMT -5
2004 Mercedes? Its not like its a S class. He is also a commisioned officer in the military, so he has a pretty good salary. He is certainly one of the good guys. I had no idea he even drank alcohol.
Duke,
You said "obvious illegal". I am actually quite suprised you said that. You seem always be advocating for the supposed clearly innocent or even the doubtedly innocent. In this case, a cop none the less you stray the other way.....hmmmmm interesting
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Mar 28, 2009 9:22:21 GMT -5
Not the best career move for the police department OR the military.
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Post by Longshot! [ Saint ] on Mar 28, 2009 13:40:12 GMT -5
I inderstand the car was bought as a repo for around $16k. The judgement of this is comical. Come to think of it, I better go inventory my house to see what I am allowed and not allowed to have.
As for making him work without pay...what is 'fair' about literally fining a person before they are investigated or given due process? Punishment in advance shouldn't be something we should push for in any career field. Take him off the streets? Yes. Effectively fine him and prevent him from making his mortgage/used car payment/pay child support if applicable before an investigation is complete? No.
If he was 'all boogered up', indeed...stupid decision. Lets go ahead and NOT kill him first, though.
Having been arrested by Police (what is known as 'the fullest extent of their Constitutional powers'), I now await the Police Cover-up conversation...despite the fact he was arrested by police.
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Post by frayne on Mar 28, 2009 16:09:40 GMT -5
Oh, lighten up LS.
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Post by Longshot! [ Saint ] on Mar 29, 2009 23:26:33 GMT -5
Excellent, Frayne. Your response, Duke?
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Post by frayne on Mar 30, 2009 7:26:26 GMT -5
Excellent, Frayne. Your response, Duke? This ones for you, LS the Lame !  |
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Mar 30, 2009 8:21:29 GMT -5
Frayne has an inferiority complex? The self-denigration is unbecoming.
If one is "relieved of duty" that just means they can't work right now...doesn't mean they lose all their benefits, i.e. personal days/vacation days. Would you have them stop all medical coverage as well?
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Post by Longshot! [ Saint ] on Mar 30, 2009 22:42:05 GMT -5
Ls! the Lame!
Holy Shit. I concede.
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Post by Bryan Stone on Mar 30, 2009 23:31:20 GMT -5
I don't think this is a big fucking deal
I mean it's just some dude smashing into a telephone pole, drunk, and causing property damage in the process
who cares right?
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Post by duke on Mar 31, 2009 8:47:53 GMT -5
LongShot: I will presume you are looking for my take on the attacks focusing on the perceived value of the officer’s car. An expensive car out of proportion to the norm for the known salary of an officer could be cause for an investigation alleging an illegal source of income. The most likely illegal source would be theft and/or the sale of drugs. Reasonable suspicion for an investigation would be reasonable, but would not of itself rise to the level of an indictment. There are many reasons that the officer could afford such a car. You, LongShot, have already given one. Indictment here is a different matter.  Raising the questions about the expensive car however should also be reasonable. The officer was arrested and booked, just like anyone else. Officer is not being paid for the time off just like anyone else. Seems fair so far. Next question. Is this a first time offense, or a recurring problem? Answers should guide the next steps taken. |
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Post by bhmc449 on Mar 31, 2009 10:19:49 GMT -5
LongShot: I will presume you are looking for my take on the attacks focusing on the perceived value of the officer’s car. An expensive car out of proportion to the norm for the known salary of an officer could be cause for an investigation alleging an illegal source of income. The most likely illegal source would be theft and/or the sale of drugs. Reasonable suspicion for an investigation would be reasonable, but would not of itself rise to the level of an indictment. There are many reasons that the officer could afford such a car. You, LongShot, have already given one. Indictment here is a different matter. Raising the questions about the expensive car however should also be reasonable. The officer was arrested and booked, just like anyone else. Officer is not being paid for the time off just like anyone else. Seems fair so far. Next question. Is this a first time offense, or a recurring problem? Answers should guide the next steps taken. BULLSHIT!!! I drive an expensive "ultra luxury" car that would cost someone in the ranges of 50-75K brand new. I work hard for everything I have. I dont have a house and and I receive discounted rent. I am not married and I dont have kids. If you play your cards right you can afford such things that dont require a internal affairs investigation. Just because you have nice things doesnt always mean your rich or in this case crooked.. We are not talking a Lambo here....get over yourself Duke. seriously man..... |
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Post by duke on Mar 31, 2009 10:52:57 GMT -5
bhmc449:
In the time honored mantra of LE everywhere: If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from investigation.
You work hard, like no one else does? How about an unbiased opinion for verification. You work hard, compared to who? All relative.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Mar 31, 2009 11:20:28 GMT -5
One of the reason's one Cleveland's finest investigation was started,that and the copious amount of narcotics he was prescribed.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Mar 31, 2009 11:22:20 GMT -5
You got section 8 housing. Man a cop's salary is lame,bet you qualify for ebt card  |
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Mar 31, 2009 16:42:59 GMT -5
"Man a cop's salary is lame..."
You jest, but many officers actually qualify for food stamps & WIC.
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Post by bhmc449 on Mar 31, 2009 16:58:47 GMT -5
bhmc449: In the time honored mantra of LE everywhere: If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from investigation. You work hard, like no one else does? How about an unbiased opinion for verification. You work hard, compared to who? All relative. I'm only human. I don't like being accused of something anymore than the next guy. The dirty worms will usually rise to the surface without having the "jumped to conclusion" finger pointed at them. The fact of the matter is just because a cop makes "shit pay" doesn't mean he can't work hard (usually through extra jobs) or just being wise with money. I don't think I should have to justify my hard work or be penalized because I have been wise with money. |
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Post by augie47 on Mar 31, 2009 17:58:17 GMT -5
bhmc449: In the time honored mantra of LE everywhere: If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from investigation. You work hard, like no one else does? How about an unbiased opinion for verification. You work hard, compared to who? All relative. I'm only human. I don't like being accused of something anymore than the next guy. The dirty worms will usually rise to the surface without having the "jumped to conclusion" finger pointed at them. The fact of the matter is just because a cop makes "shit pay" doesn't mean he can't work hard (usually through extra jobs) or just being wise with money. I don't think I should have to justify my hard work or be penalized because I have been wise with money. not so long as you "spread the wealth"  |
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Mar 31, 2009 19:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by cadillacdude1975 on Apr 1, 2009 1:11:36 GMT -5
i just want to know if the Mercedes had working turn signals.
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Post by Longshot! [ Saint ] on Apr 1, 2009 1:59:37 GMT -5
Do you think an officer owning a $16k car is justification for an investigation into his personal life? What if he worked for a Mortgage Company? A Golden Gallon? Are you fucking serious? What do YOU make, Duke? What kind of car are YOU allowed to buy?
WWJD, I appreciate your past service and commitment that changed for whatever reason...but what kind of car did YOU drive as a volunteer and/or beginner? What agency would you like to represent you? (Don't answer - I was insulting you intentionally as Duke just did.)
I buy a Mercedes at discount and YOU, Duke, say that justifies an investigation by state or federal authorities into my personal affairs and business? WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY ARE YOU POSTING FROM?!?
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Post by duke on Apr 1, 2009 10:33:45 GMT -5
The amount paid for a car may not equal the true value. That does not stop the clerk at the registration office from 'investigating' in part by demanding a payment of transfer tax based on NADA value.
Many persons are in jail because the initial investigation was triggered by the display of a lifestyle not supported by known sources of income. Law enforcement personnel should not expect privilege in this area of the law. It is not a required function to achieve their sworn duties.
What country am I from? The one that hired you. The same government supported by LE that expects NOT to be investigated but have no problem scanning my license plate for an opportunity to harass me.
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Post by harsh on Apr 1, 2009 11:07:00 GMT -5
The amount paid for a car may not equal the true value. That does not stop the clerk at the registration office from 'investigating' in part by demanding a payment of transfer tax based on NADA value. Many persons are in jail because the initial investigation was triggered by the display of a lifestyle not supported by known sources of income. Law enforcement personnel should not expect privilege in this area of the law. It is not a required function to achieve their sworn duties. What country am I from? The one that hired you. The same government supported by LE that expects NOT to be investigated but have no problem scanning my license plate for an opportunity to harass me. Duke, Haven't you heard of "special rules for special people "? Cops risk their lives for you and I and therefore should be allowed to do what ever they want.  |
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Post by harsh on Apr 1, 2009 11:14:26 GMT -5
"Man a cop's salary is lame..." You jest, but many officers actually qualify for food stamps & WIC. Buy the ticket and take us all for a ride huh. Food stamps for cops  It would appear that some officers need to cut back on those food stamps. Many people in this Country are paid a "lame" salary but all the whining comes from those "tough" guys with guns, go figure! |
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