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Post by Copperhead on May 25, 2007 10:15:35 GMT -5
Thought this was interesting & decided to share... May 17, 2007 The Black And White Of "Ho" Culture By Kathleen Parker CHARLESTON, S.C. -- In a new twist in American race relations, a federal court has ruled that a white teacher in a predominantly African-American school was subjected to a racially hostile workplace. The case concerned Elizabeth Kandrac, who was routinely verbally abused by black students at Brentwood Middle School in North Charleston. Their slurs make shock jock Don Imus look like a church deacon. Nevertheless, despite frequent complaints, school officials did nothing to intervene on Kandrac's behalf, arguing that the racially charged profanity was simply part of the students' culture. If Kandrac couldn't handle cursing, school officials told her, she was in the wrong school. Kandrac finally filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and subsequently brought a lawsuit against the Charleston County School District, the school's principal and an associate superintendent. Last fall, jurors found that the school was a racially hostile environment to teach in and that the school district retaliated against Kandrac for complaining about it. www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/the_black_and_white_of_ho_cult.htmlDiscuss amongst yourselves....thoughts, anyone? |
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Post by el Gusano on May 25, 2007 12:03:28 GMT -5
Come on, now! We all know that blacks are not capable of racism! We've been told that over and over. What's it going to take for you to get that through your thick skull.
Oh, and don't forget that ebonics is in their genetic makeup, unless a white person is saying, and the "n" word will get you the death penalty, unless you're a black person saying it.
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Post by Copperhead on May 25, 2007 12:23:16 GMT -5
Come on, now! We all know that blacks are not capable of racism! We've been told that over and over. What's it going to take for you to get that through your thick skull. Somehow, I just don't think I'll ever be able to get it through my thick skull. For this, I am glad.  |
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Post by TNBear on May 25, 2007 19:27:22 GMT -5
One of the most racist people I ever met was a Japanese-American when I lived in Los Angeles. He would not allow his daughter to date anyone who was not of Japanese extraction.
As a young child he lived through being interned in a camp in northern California and having his parents property taken away during WWII. I still can't figure what made him that way.
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Post by Dreamwebber on May 25, 2007 22:23:27 GMT -5
I am kind of torn on the story. I mean if the teacher couldn't control her class maybe she shouldn't be teaching in the first place. I am not saying it is the teacher's job to be the disciplanarian (sp) but, there has to be mutual respect between teacher and student to have a productive learning environment. It sounded to me like they were testing her boundaries to see if she would stay or cave to their racist comments.
On the other hand, the fact that the school board excused the students behavior infuriates me even more.
If it were me I would have told the class their assignment was to write an essay as to why I was a White Ho and back it up with evidence lol
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Post by Justin Thyme on May 25, 2007 23:01:34 GMT -5
Dreamwebber, there is no way that a teacher can control her class without the support of the administration. Without that support all she has is idle threats. It didn't sound like she had that support.
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Post by samara on May 27, 2007 13:25:54 GMT -5
Have any of you stood in the hallway of a public school during class change lately and just listened? wow. You should go try it one day. It is amazing the language you'll hear.....amazing. I think paddlings and beatings would be completely in order for at least a decade.
I agree Justin, sounds like she did not have support on this one.
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Post by Dreamwebber on May 27, 2007 15:46:30 GMT -5
I wonder why she chose to work in the environment? Was it one of those "We'll pay for your education if you teach in an inner city school" situations.
I too agree she should get the support of the administration.
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Post by el Gusano on May 27, 2007 16:20:07 GMT -5
Probably idealism. I have a cousin who did that. Lasted 3 weeks. Now has a little more insight.
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Post by Kordax on May 27, 2007 17:24:48 GMT -5
Similar teacher/student situations like this occur in Hamilton Co Skools routinely although I haven't heard a teacher claim that a single fellow teacher was singled out like the Charleston teacher was. It's a "look the other way" educrat policy -- if they discipline Black ghetto speakers for speaking Black ghetto speak, then Blacks will be disciplined disproportionately, so the enabling symps argue.
Want your kids to learn "real-life diversity" as it plays out in the public skools -- keep your ear to the ground & talk to teachers willing to share a little reality off the record. The double-secret racial double standard -- it's alive & well right here in RiverCity ....
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Post by tcrashfx on May 28, 2007 4:04:33 GMT -5
This is what happens when education policy is tailored to the lowest common denominator.
When this occurs, everyone loses especially the lowest common denominators.
Instead of demanding that everyone conform with the slowest, we should demand that everyone try to conform with the highest.
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Post by emanon on May 28, 2007 7:00:28 GMT -5
But then, all the other ones would "feel bad" and we cannot have that. They are all special and can have no disappointment.
If is it not obvious, I am being VERY sarcastic............
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Post by stray on May 28, 2007 9:21:36 GMT -5
The majority of this shit wouldn't be an issue if many parents understood just what the fuck it means to be a parent.
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Post by snarkalicious on May 28, 2007 18:42:34 GMT -5
My very Caucasian daughter attended one of the magnet schools for 2 years- she was obviously a minority student in this school and was called everything you can imagine (pertaining to her race) by classmates. When I DARED comment about it to the (mostly white) staff I was told nothing could be done about it-yet had she retaliated by using a word offensive to black culture, I have no doubt she would have been punished.
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Post by Dreamwebber on May 28, 2007 23:48:18 GMT -5
I guess I must be just weird I have worked in environments where I was the only white person...I currently work in an environment that is 50/50 I have never felt like I couldn't call someone on the carpet for saying something that I found offensive. I guess because to me everyone is equal to me. When people feel uncomfortable about confronting someone just because they are a different color it makes me think that somehow they feel superior/inferior to that person.
I remember one time I called a black former co-worker out on the carpet in front of the leader of the NAACP for making what I believed a racist comment. We had a heated discussion but, I found out a couple years later after that conversation he had a lot of respect for me (he didn't tell me, but, he told someone he knew who told me). After I told him what I thought after that day we had all kinds of interesting conversations in regards to race relations. One day he said you just wouldn't know because you aren't black. I said "You know what...there are probably a lot of thing I would not understand because I am not black...I will give you that....but, there are a lot of things you wouldn't understand because you are not a woman. I also said, you may be black and I may be white but, I bet you and I have actually more in common then (the person he said I wouldn't understand) because you and I are the same age we grew up listening to the same music we lived in middle class families etc. (The guy he compared himself too grew up in the age of segregation in public schools).
I guess I am just the type of person who thinks it racist when someone thinks you must tiptoe when it comes to race relations. My bluntness has gotten me in trouble with some. I had one roommate in college who was black that tried to get me kicked out of my dorm because she didn't like it when I called her out on the carpet for her racist remarks. But, such is life.
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Post by Kordax on May 29, 2007 0:06:35 GMT -5
Racial public policy & race relations between individuals are two different animals ....
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Post by Dreamwebber on May 29, 2007 0:26:30 GMT -5
You make a good point Kordax  I just wish there weren't. |
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Post by stray on May 30, 2007 15:38:26 GMT -5
To paraphrase someone I heard this weekend:
Martin Luther King stated 40 years ago that we should judge someone not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. In 40 years, we've learned that black character stinks.
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Post by snarkalicious on May 30, 2007 17:28:55 GMT -5
Hispanic students at my daughter's middle school made as many (if not more) racist comments to her as did black students.
I've raised her to be very tolerant, so at first she just laughed the comments off. After a while, though, she started to get her feelings hurt by being called "Casper" and "so white you glow in the dark", so she asked my advise about saying something to a teacher. I decided I would discuss it with the teacher and got the "well, *WE* can't say anything to *THEM*" routine, which seems really racist to me.
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Post by Copperhead on May 30, 2007 18:41:07 GMT -5
Hispanic students at my daughter's middle school made as many (if not more) racist comments to her as did black students. I've raised her to be very tolerant, so at first she just laughed the comments off. After a while, though, she started to get her feelings hurt by being called "Casper" and "so white you glow in the dark", so she asked my advise about saying something to a teacher. I decided I would discuss it with the teacher and got the "well, *WE* can't say anything to *THEM*" routine, which seems really racist to me. What a crock. Have you discussed this with central office? If they refuse to act on this racist behavior, I smell a potential lawsuit against HCDE. |
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Post by Kordax on May 30, 2007 20:47:56 GMT -5
I decided I would discuss it with the teacher and got the "well, *WE* can't say anything to *THEM*" routine, which seems really racist to me.
The teacher probably is unaware or too dim to realize what she, in her official capacity as a representative of the system as a whole said, but if you were so predisposed, you could "own" the skool by bringing a strategically timed lawsuit alleging a purposeful racially hostile environment ....
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Post by stray on May 30, 2007 22:25:37 GMT -5
Truth hurts?
It's a system we've engineered with special laws, entitlements, and handouts. We created the environment that's allowed them to act like the mindless animals many of them have become.
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Post by bernardjenkins on May 31, 2007 16:55:28 GMT -5
Entitlements and handouts are a disgrace to this country when doled out to the lazy and takers.
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