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Post by el Gusano on Sept 7, 2009 13:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by printemps on Sept 7, 2009 15:03:42 GMT -5
Would it be OK to do this if it were whites only? OK to do what? The state of Texas removed 401 children from the all-white Yearning For Zion polygamist compound and had to return them all.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 7, 2009 15:23:41 GMT -5
That's a compound, not a city.
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Post by printemps on Sept 7, 2009 16:26:37 GMT -5
It's a compound, hamlet or community, not an incorporated city.
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Post by goomba on Sept 7, 2009 17:47:00 GMT -5
If it was a white only community it would be considered racist....
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 7, 2009 17:52:00 GMT -5
I'm sure most people consider Islamberg to be a racist community but, in spite of what some folks might want you to believe, racism is not illegal.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 7, 2009 17:58:15 GMT -5
Unless you're white. Then it's hate.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 7, 2009 17:59:59 GMT -5
Unless you're white. Then it's hate. It's still not illegal unless you include another act that is illegal with it.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Sept 7, 2009 18:49:55 GMT -5
The Hampton's
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Post by printemps on Sept 7, 2009 20:05:05 GMT -5
If it was a white only community it would be considered racist.... You know for a fact they would reject Muhammad Ali? Nothing in the article says it's race-exclusive, just one religion. The Amish live apart.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 7, 2009 21:57:46 GMT -5
I have no problem with people living apart. I think it's beneficial to everyone in said community, in most cases.
I'm just wondering where the uproar is. After all, if it were Baptist only, there would be an uproar. (There, I changed it to a religion just for you.)
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Post by printemps on Sept 8, 2009 0:00:39 GMT -5
I don't see how it's beneficial to back religious sects "living apart" so long as there's "uproar." You need probable cause (i.e., documented child abuse, not fear and anxiety) to go after Heaven's Gate, People's Temple, Yearning for Zion, Branch Davidians and Christian Identity sects.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 1:33:39 GMT -5
Because they want to? It's called freedom of association, which the SCOTUS has ruled to include freedom FROM association. Why should that right be taken away from anyone?
It's beneficial to preserve individual rights.
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Post by printemps on Sept 8, 2009 7:39:13 GMT -5
And your point is there was "uproar" over People's Temple, Heaven's Gate and YFZ?
The racial stir-the-pot teaser is misplaced.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 8:20:51 GMT -5
No. Those are private compounds.
We're talking about an entire town here.
"Yes sir, my house if for sale. No sir, you may not buy it, you're the wrong color/race/sex."
I've seen uproar over it. A cousin had his house up for sale and a black man wanted to buy it. He didn't want to sell it to him because he was a drug dealer and he didn't want to do that to his neighbors. He was accuses of being racist and pressure was put on him to sell it to the guy anyway.
And that's just a single house, not an entire community with those standards put into place.
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Post by printemps on Sept 8, 2009 10:36:12 GMT -5
No. Those are private compounds. We're talking about an entire town here. They're all private communities. Islamberg is a hamlet in the town of Hancock, New York, United States.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 13:19:17 GMT -5
Does one individual or group own the land outright and not charge rent to everyone else who lives there, or do they buy and sell individual lots and/or rent?
(I'm beginning to wonder if you're really this obtuse or if you're just pretending.)
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 8, 2009 13:35:25 GMT -5
There is a way around the equal housing laws. Don't advertise the property for sale. As long as I make no public offering of my land I am not bound to sell my land to the public. If an individual inquires about purchasing my land I may sell that land to that person. So let's say that I have an association with a dozen families and I have 500 acres. Those families could come to me and ask me to sell them an acre of land each or I could offer to sell to each of those families an acre of land. As long as there is no public offering I have no obligation to sell an acre of my land to anyone else. If one of those families declines my offer I'm not obligated to offer the land to anyone else or sell that acre to anyone who inquires about it. It is only when I make a public offering to sell the land and do not sell it to someone based on race, creed, etc. that I become at odds with the fair housing laws. The same goes for rent.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 13:51:31 GMT -5
So, I could buy 1,000 acres and name it "Honkytown" without any legal repercussions?
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 8, 2009 14:04:09 GMT -5
Exactly. You might see some social repercussions but no legal ones.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 14:11:03 GMT -5
I would hazard to say that there would be legal repercussions as well. Perhaps not enforceable, but certainly a hassle. My wife and I used to be in business under the name "Spic & Mick", and although most other hispanics saw humor in it, a bunch of uptight white people tried to tell us we couldn't do it, and we had to fight to do it.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 8, 2009 14:37:43 GMT -5
To bring a lawsuit one does not need the law on their side, they just need a lawyer that will take the case. Your example does not imply that choice of a name was illegal.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 14:49:37 GMT -5
Where did I imply it was illegal? I didn't. I didn't even imply that the Muslim town, in and of itself, was illegal. But, I'm wondering where the furor over it went to. (And "Honkytown" would be illegal, unless you adhered strictly to what Justin suggested, and even then, I suspect pressure would be brought to bear, just as pressure was brought over our choice of name.)
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Post by sargonkiadi on Sept 8, 2009 15:00:31 GMT -5
It's okay to do this (if peaceful) because of people who don't treat them with equal respect and dignity.
This is the melting pot but people forget.
I hope you have not gus... I hope you have not.
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Post by daworm on Sept 8, 2009 15:32:43 GMT -5
What is the point of a melting pot if some groups refuse to melt, and instead insist on imposing their own beliefs and values on everyone else?
Besides, the whole "melting pot" bit is overused. Ask the natives here who melted and who did not. For every society that was absorbed peacefully, you'll find a hundred that were conquered.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 8, 2009 15:38:50 GMT -5
America is more of a stew pot than a melting pot.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Sept 8, 2009 15:40:41 GMT -5
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Sept 8, 2009 15:43:06 GMT -5
Home Ownership WANT TO BUY A HOUSE IN LILY DALE? Here is what you have to do:
1. You must be a member in good standing of the Lily Dale Assembly. For details on how to become a member, please check the Membership Information page.
2. Obtain an application from the Lily Dale Assembly office to purchase a leasehold.
3. Complete and return the leasehold purchase application with a current credit report and applicable fee to the Lily Dale Assembly office. Your application will then be presented to the Lily Dale Assembly Board of Directors for approval.
4. Please Note: DO NOT make any agreements, verbal or in writing, before obtaining Lily Dale Assembly board permission to purchase. Mortgages cannot be obtained to purchase Lily Dale property.
5. You may only own two (2) leaseholds at one time. If you should inherit a third leasehold, you must put one up for sale within thirty (30) days.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 9, 2009 6:54:55 GMT -5
You bring plenty furor over it - you shouldn't need to wonder. Now go make your Honkytown and be happy
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 9, 2009 7:06:27 GMT -5
You bring plenty furor over it - you shouldn't need to wonder. Now go make your Honkytown and be happy Gotta make a move to a Town that's right for me Town to keep me movin' Keep me groovin' with some energy
Well, I talk about it Talk about it Talk about it Talk about it Talk about, Talk about Talk about movin
Gotta move on Gotta move on Gotta move on
Won't you take me to Honkytown Won't you take me to Honkytown Won't you take me to Honkytown Won't you take me to Honkytown
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