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Post by BlackFox on Oct 9, 2009 7:16:55 GMT -5
Even I, slightly left of center as I am, see how absurd and ridiculous this is, and so does the rest of the world. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.eceThe award of this year’s Nobel peace prize to President Obama will be met with widespread incredulity, consternation in many capitals and probably deep embarrassment by the President himself.
Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.
Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.
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Post by emanon on Oct 9, 2009 7:37:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not getting it.
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Post by gridbug on Oct 9, 2009 8:20:48 GMT -5
Damn dems hogging all the peace To make it more fair & balanced maybe we can get Rush to take that money he was going to buy a sports team with and have him establish the "Limbaugh Prosperity Prize" program.
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Post by Conservator on Oct 9, 2009 8:32:25 GMT -5
Wow. It IS true... I heard it on the radio and said to myself, "you just can't believe what you hear on the radio nowadays".
Check out the comments below that article... their all good... but I like the 4th one down...
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Post by frayne on Oct 9, 2009 9:20:59 GMT -5
Its just an award .... probably more for America finally booting the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush nightmare team. They just about destroyed this country but also threatened the entire world.The ones you hear howling now were in full support as the nightmare team pissed on our Constitution so they lost credibility long ago.
There seems to be a Fox load of folks who want America to fail due to Obama being elected ... wanting to punish our country for not going with John and Sarah.
Instead of some American Pride for bringing home a prize .... spewing hate against the elected Leader of the United States of America ... again ... as always.
This is NOT a bad thing. Quite the opposite. OUR President brings home a Nobel Prize and for some, this is just TERRIBLE!
We, as a nation, are FINALLY winning back some the good will that Cheney and Bush destroyed ... the NeoCon madness is gone so the decent folks in our world sleep a bit easier.
This Prize is probably a 'Thank You' to our Nation more than anything.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Oct 9, 2009 9:54:54 GMT -5
That's not what its there for. I have no problem with President Obama receiving the prize when he earns it. So far he's all talk with no accomplishments to back it up. Heck he's only been in office for nine months so I'm not saying he's a failure and can't make good on his talk, I'm just saying he hasn't really earned it yet. If he gets the award without earning it then the award is cheapened and means nothing.
There were 205 nominees for the awards this year, that's a record. The names of the nominees aren't officially released until a period of fifty years but the list is usually leaked or deduced within a short time of the actual awards being announced. I'll bet you when we get a better feel of who he was up against we will see some people of accomplishment that were passed over so that the Norwegians could make a statement.
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Post by BlackFox on Oct 9, 2009 10:01:42 GMT -5
I just think it's not merited, and I believe it will actually hurt him politically. It's like the way that college sports fans heap praise on a 5 star recruit before he even plays a down.
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Post by osrb on Oct 9, 2009 10:02:29 GMT -5
Well they gave it to Yasser Arafat too.
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Post by BlackFox on Oct 9, 2009 10:18:20 GMT -5
Well they gave it to Yasser Arafat too. Yes, and this is completely different. Arafat showed that was actually the opposite of what the award was intended for. Obama fits as far as being the type of person with the type of ideals that the award was intended for, but so far has had no results. He has only been in office for 9 months and follows a clusterfuck of an administration. I hope he earns it, but he hasn't yet. He was actually nominated after he had been in office for 2 weeks.
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Post by osrb on Oct 9, 2009 10:59:36 GMT -5
No BF it is not different it is a purely political move. No other reason than that.
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Post by BlackFox on Oct 9, 2009 12:01:33 GMT -5
As usual, the FARK headline nails it. Barack Obama linked to Terrorist Yasser ArafatAnd just like on here, even his supporters don't understand it. The comments are comedy gold. My favorite from just the first page... "Damn you ACORN, is there no election you can't rig?"www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4687513
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Oct 9, 2009 12:17:32 GMT -5
Rock-n-Roll. Kids we have us one helluva president FINALLY!!!!.......
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Post by Conservator on Oct 9, 2009 12:51:24 GMT -5
Delusional: Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.
ps... All those conspiracy theories drummed up by your leftist leaders were great, but you weren't actually suppose to believe them! Get some perspective.
Iraq & Afganistan are "clusterfucks"... I give you that... but what we have now is making GW actually look good! And that's hard to do!!
I do like how all the Barry fanclub members CONTINUE to use the blame Bush tactic or the "it's so much better now, than it was the past 8 years" line... It's over... Get over him. You're like a psycho ex-girlfriend that won't go away!!!
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Post by gridbug on Oct 9, 2009 13:11:53 GMT -5
Delusional: "we have now is making GW actually look good!"
Or did you mean the Birthers?
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Post by BlackFox on Oct 9, 2009 13:41:25 GMT -5
I don't think it's delusional to assume that the rest of the world breathed a sigh of relief at the end of "Cowboy Diplomacy".
I also don't think it's out of bounds to correctly attribute the mess that we are fighting our way out of both militarily and economically to the guy who created it. Obama owns it now, yes, but it would be sticking our heads in the sand to forget how we got here.
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Post by Conservator on Oct 9, 2009 14:47:20 GMT -5
If you try to please everyone, you won't please anyone. Similarly, trying to please the rest of the world is not always the best for our country... so, the rest of the world breathing a sigh of relief doesn't do much for me.
And I agree... Militarily were are in too deep. But I also say that as a monday morning QB. Economically, however, what did GW do to cause a recession? What specific mistakes did "the Bush regime" make that we can learn from and not repeat? and what is it that the current admin is doing or needs to do to fix these listed mistakes that I am anxious to read of.
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Post by BlackFox on Oct 9, 2009 15:13:42 GMT -5
If I were to pick one thing, I would say his war of choice in Iraq. Completely unnecesarry and financed with money borrowed from China which has had 2 damning effects. It has tanked the dollar against other currencies, and during his time in office caused energy prices to skyrocket, thus taking away disposable income from almost every American.
Now that we don't have a warmonger in office, the risk and uncertainty in global markets have relaxed, and begun to recover. This actually started as his time winded down.
/just my personal .02
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Post by rstewart on Oct 9, 2009 16:49:27 GMT -5
Rock-n-Roll. Kids we have us one helluva president FINALLY!!!!....... WTF are you talking about? Can you name a single accomplishement of B. Hussien Obama as either a US Senator or as President of the United States? Just 1, that's all I'm asking for.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Oct 9, 2009 17:03:08 GMT -5
What makes this an even bigger joke is that the Nobel Committee received this nomination only TWO WEEKS after his election. Based on what President Obama had accomplished for world peace up to that point, most posters on this board should have been considered for the same prize. Hell, some of you have done MORE than Obama has for world peace even now. For ANYONE to try and justify this awarding with ANYTHING since his first two weeks is as dishonest as Obama's "you lie" speech. Now, I extend my congratulations on his award, but it in no way was ever deserved by his current accomplishments. I am reminded of Churchill: "Never has one person been given so much, by so many, for doing so little."
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Post by goomba on Oct 9, 2009 17:55:39 GMT -5
it'd be one thing if had done something to earn it. but the explanation for giving the nobel peace prize to obama does nothing but spew politics
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Post by rstewart on Oct 9, 2009 18:31:21 GMT -5
I certainly don't begrudge President Obama for the award. I don't think he was out lobbying for the award. I just think it was undeserved and I think he has said pretty much the same thing. The Hero worship towards him is beyond my comprehension. Yes, Bush sucked as President but this man is certainly not the solution. Not that McCain would have been much of an improvement.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Oct 9, 2009 19:20:48 GMT -5
First African-Amercan President. Pulling out the troops in Iraq, pulling us out of the recession, Hopefully pulling out of Afganistan. Got all the GOP's panties in a wad putting a huge divide in the GOP got them guys scrambling causing an implosion in the party of no. And wait for it, he wan a Noebel Peace prize and is donating the cash to charity.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Oct 9, 2009 19:29:39 GMT -5
If they want to demean the value and meaning of their prize, who am I to quibble?
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Oct 9, 2009 19:31:19 GMT -5
You're right so shutty!!!!
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Post by Tsavodiner on Oct 9, 2009 20:13:20 GMT -5
You're so right shitty, wheezer.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Oct 9, 2009 20:25:59 GMT -5
Man you so funny, I've been called worse by better. Try and grow up son. You way out of your league.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Oct 9, 2009 21:42:02 GMT -5
Let's us go catfish noodlin' this weekend.
You be the catfish.
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Post by professorx on Oct 9, 2009 21:45:41 GMT -5
We, as a nation, are FINALLY winning back some the good will that Cheney and Bush destroyed ... the NeoCon madness is gone so the decent folks in our world sleep a bit easier. This Prize is probably a 'Thank You' to our Nation more than anything. Using the prize for a political statement dilutes it's value. If the prize's purpose is supposed to be a "thank you" from Swedish, then what's the point? It looks like they are showing their hand so to speak, when you have Carter, Gore and Obama all as recent winner. An argument could be made for Carter, and maybe one day for Obama, but wouldn't you think they jumped the gun? They could have waited for four or eight years and might have made a compelling argument for Obama leadership and not have lost their credibility. He should win it on his own merits, not because he's "not Bush". Its a cheap stunt and has certainly cost the prize some prestige.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Oct 9, 2009 21:45:50 GMT -5
What his (and your) daddies should have done.
[wheezer]
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Post by professorx on Oct 9, 2009 21:59:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's delusional to assume that the rest of the world breathed a sigh of relief at the end of "Cowboy Diplomacy". I think it is wrong that we should base our actions on what other countries think we should do. Let's vote. "Tell us we are right Sweden. Please, we are desperate for your acceptance." While we are swinging left, a lot of other countries in the world are pendulum-ing right. Its not really that other countries believe this anyway. Just their political parties that are liberal. You all are just told "The world disagrees with us" because some people are more prone to peer pressure. Besides, you are probably old enough to realize that in 4 or 8 years we will be back to a conservative type president, then 4 to 8 years after that a more liberal type? Its not like soft on crime, high taxes, weak foreign policy, will last forever. Its not like McCain would have been any more of an effective leader. Keep in mind Bush won twice, Obama can talk shit when he pulls that off.
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