Tea Party gets more support than Soetoro!

[el Gusano]

Tea Party 48% Obama 44%

On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own.

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That might be more interesting if they had polled more than a thousand people, if the result were more than 1% above the margin for error, if Tea were really a political party, or if our president were named Sotero.

But then again it may not.

[el Gusano]

Where has he ever changed his name from Barry Soetoro?

[printemps]

When did *he* change it Barry Soetoro? His step-father in Indonesia registered him in elementary school using his name, listing "Honolulu" as birthplace.

In 1971, a 10-year-old "boy named Barry Obama" enrolled at Hawaii's Punahou School. He was registered as Barack Obama at Occidental College in 1979.

[el Gusano]

His school records and his parents divorce records requiring Lolo Soetoro to pay for his children's (Barry Soetoro and his half-sister Maya) schooling, although Barry was over 18 at the time. His sister was born in Indonesia, btw, and has a Hawaii COLB.

So, unless his mother filed to change his name after returning to Hawaii with him when he was 13, he was Barry Soetoro when he turned 18, and would have had to legally change it himself.

[printemps]

Apr 5, 2010 21:36:59 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

His school records and his parents divorce records requiring Lolo Soetoro to pay for his children's (Barry Soetoro and his half-sister Maya) schooling, although Barry was over 18 at the time.

He lived with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii from age 10, sent there by his mother. No reported citizenship issues on enrolling at Punahou.

[el Gusano]

Who said anything about citizenship issues in this discussion?

I'll give you three guesses:

1) printemps
2) printemps
3) printemps

BTW, the divorce was filed in Hawaii. No citizenship issue at that point, either.

This is not a discussion about where he was born or his citizenship. It's a discussion about how the Tea Party has more support than he does, that evolved into his name, at your behest.

But, I do know it's hard for you to stay on track, and apparently impossible to answer a simple, direct question when you're afraid to answer.

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Who said anything about citizenship issues in this discussion?

You implied it strongly by using a name only used by your fellow birthers.

This is not a discussion about where he was born or his citizenship. It's a discussion about how the Tea Party has more support than he does

That's not even apples vs oranges. It is a comparison more akin to apples vs golf balls. It wasn't quite the results you want so badly since it is a 4% difference in a small poll with a 3% margin of error.

[printemps]

You have evidence "he was Soetoro when he turned 18" and would have had to legally change his name? No. A 10-year-old "boy named Barry Obama" enrolled at Hawaii's Punahou School.

Soetero is the last name of his stepfather, and was used for enrolling him in school before he was sent back to Hawaii. You would need a decree of adoption to prove one took place. Dunham is his grandparents name.. I am not aware that he used that name, although he did live with them.

[el Gusano]

It's in the divorce decree from HAWAII.

Doesn't matter where he was born or when it was changed or where it was changed.

If you were born in Delaware and your parents named you aja;dokjf powiuerpoaij, then moved to Timbuktu and changed it to pihpoih weaporijeoi, and then you moved back to Delaware, you would have to legally change your name before you could legally go by Jim Smith.

Oh, and his Indonesian born sister has a Hawaii COLB.

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I think you need another dose of acid El Douchano.

[printemps]

Someone listed as "above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education” means support. He was enrolled under his birth name at age 10 in Hawaii by his maternal grandparents. You have adoption records from the Dunhams? No. From Lolo Soetoro? No. He could have more half brothers and half sisters than Marcia Brady. Doesn't mean there was a legal adoption and your claim his half-sister "has a Hawaii COLB" is likewise undocumented.

[el Gusano]

Just curious: How many people do you know who are responsible for their kids who are not really their kids?

It's been shown repeatedly that up until the early 2000's, ANYONE could get a Hawaii COLB. COLB's aren't even always acceptable for passports. My wife had to get a certified copy of her original BC to get her passport; she only had her COLB and they would not accept it as proof that she was born in Puerto Rico.

He used the name Barry Soetoro in high school.

Indonesian documents show that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. Or do we reject all foreign documents?

On his parents' divorce decree, he is listed as child of Lolo Soetoro, and as an adult would have had to legally changed his name back to his birth name. There is no record that he ever did so. In fact, he lied on his papers in becoming a lawyer and stated that he had never been known by another name.

So, out of respect, I will refer to him by his legal name and not his nickname.

But whatever you choose to call him, the Tea Party is more popular, and the democrats who shoved socialized medicine down our throats are having it shoved up their rear ends at home, and come November, either the health care abomination will be defunded or our nation is finished as a free society.

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Apr 6, 2010 12:54:58 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

He used the name Barry Soetoro in high school.

Indonesian documents show that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro.

The first statement is untrue.

The second is derivitive graffiti - your speciality. Same with your claim his half-sister "has a Hawaii COLB."

On-site reporting includes former classmates and teachers:

"In 1971, a 10-year-old boy named Barry Obama enrolled at the private Punahou School..."

Apr 6, 2010 12:54:58 GMT -5 el Gusano said:

Just curious: How many people do you know who are responsible for their kids who are not really their kids?

They helped with expenses after sending him away at 10 to live with his grandparents. Guardianship or legal adoption were recorded and documented?

Your bluffing a full house with a pair.

[el Gusano]

And you're bluffing a discussion with imbecility and inanity.

[printemps]

And you're dead wrong with almost perfect consistency.

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This has honestly been beaten like a dead horse already. It's over and for El Douchano to keep bringing this up over and over and over again is simply boring us all to tears.

[Scarlet&Gray]

Barry, Obama whatever. It's now President Obama better recognize. But the tin foil hat back on and chase another conspiracy theory this one is stale over played and nothing will change.

[el Gusano]

Funny, but the Tea Party still gets more support, no matter how much the sycophants crawl out from under their rocks.

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Funny, but the Tea Party still gets more support

In one hand-picked poll. I've seen more polls than that showing increases in support of President Obama and democrats after the passing of the Healthcare bill.

And you're dead wrong with almost perfect consistency.

Dead wrong, yes, but PLEASE don't start telling Gus he's perfect! It'll go straight to his head and tin foil does not stretch.

[Action!]

NO, but it can be molded to fit the point on top of his head. It will fit right over the white hood.