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Post by el Gusano on Jun 3, 2010 13:12:00 GMT -5
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BlackFox
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 3, 2010 13:40:06 GMT -5
I'm a 58%er on this one. Our immigration situation is quite different now than it was in the 1700s. The current law is an incentive to break the law.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Jun 3, 2010 13:41:31 GMT -5
I live by the law of the land not the law of popular opinion. Thank gosh the courts do as well. Born on American soil you're American.
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Post by printemps on Jun 3, 2010 13:43:32 GMT -5
There are 2 chances of the 14th Amendment being repealed: slim and none.
Notwithstanding the belief deporting everyone with an ancestor born to a non citizen would make us stronger.
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Post by rstewart on Jun 4, 2010 5:49:02 GMT -5
It's an easy fix, the kid is a citizen. Mommy and Daddy however are not and will be sent back to wherever they came from. Kid is free to stay but mom and dad have gotta go. Problem solved.
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Post by printemps on Jun 4, 2010 9:21:19 GMT -5
Why make the kid "a citizen" if the ORIGINAL INTENT of the 14th Amendment was to insure the children of ex-slaves would be guaranteed U.S. citizenship - and clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense?
It's conceivable that a 5-4 SCOTUS ruling would make that holding.
More than conceivable, really.
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Post by gridbug on Jun 4, 2010 11:39:31 GMT -5
Stronger? I doubt it. Joe Biden would be president
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Post by JC on Jun 4, 2010 13:26:24 GMT -5
Why make the kid "a citizen" if the ORIGINAL INTENT of the 14th Amendment was to insure the children of ex-slaves would be guaranteed U.S. citizenship - and clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense? It's conceivable that a 5-4 SCOTUS ruling would make that holding. More than conceivable, really. The Constitution was not written to be interpreted by means of current affairs.
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Post by el Gusano on Jun 4, 2010 13:52:19 GMT -5
No, but that amendment was written to be interpreted as children of free slaves were citizens, not children of any criminal who can sneak across the border just long enough to pop one out.
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Post by Jay on Jun 4, 2010 14:18:30 GMT -5
Why make the kid "a citizen" if the ORIGINAL INTENT of the 14th Amendment was to insure the children of ex-slaves would be guaranteed U.S. citizenship - and clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense? It's conceivable that a 5-4 SCOTUS ruling would make that holding. More than conceivable, really. If you're born in the U.S., you're a citizen! And changing that amendment won't have anything to do w/ the Supreme Court.
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Post by gridbug on Jun 4, 2010 15:09:35 GMT -5
Is this true of foreign tourists if they have a baby while on vacation in the US?
As stupid as it is the anchor babies of illegals are born citizens, but the parents should still be deported if they are caught for ANYTHING from a felony to jaywalking. They can take their anchor with them or the child would just have to be an orphan and ward of the State.
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Post by osrb on Jun 6, 2010 0:08:01 GMT -5
Why make the kid "a citizen" if the ORIGINAL INTENT of the 14th Amendment was to insure the children of ex-slaves would be guaranteed U.S. citizenship - and clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense? It's conceivable that a 5-4 SCOTUS ruling would make that holding. More than conceivable, really. The Constitution was not written to be interpreted by means of current affairs. Then why do your people keep calling it a living document? The interstate commerce clause has been misused and abused since the 1930's.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Jun 6, 2010 16:10:27 GMT -5
I don't think babies are heavy enough to make good anchors.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Jun 6, 2010 20:47:01 GMT -5
I'm a 58%er on this one. Our immigration situation is quite different now than it was in the 1700s. The current law is an incentive to break the law. What a contradiction, both in terms and philosophy, YOU are! Want to dismantle the Criminal Justice system over what happens to your buddy Tonya Craft; Want to march on Washington to legalize your precious tribal herb; but, when it comes to natural-born American Citizens of Latin ancestry--- BBUUURRRRNNNN THE DAMN CONSTITUTION!!!!!!! S'matter, you afraid they'll move the rubber dick plant from Dalton to Juarez?
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Post by gridbug on Jun 7, 2010 6:59:37 GMT -5
Just don't move it to Stevenson
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Post by BlackFox on Jun 7, 2010 7:49:24 GMT -5
What a contradiction, both in terms and philosophy, YOU are! No, it's just that I actually look at every situation individually. My political ideology is not an all or nothing proposition. If that's your interpretation, then you accuse every member of this forum as you are all alone on this subject. You accuse me below of wanting to burn the Constitution, but you somehow think prohibiting the use of a plant is the federal governments responsibility? I don't know what to think of you big government types. The framers wrote into the Constitution the ability to amend. They knew it would be necessary.
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Post by sargonkiadi on Jun 7, 2010 15:32:28 GMT -5
The true answer is: we need a new form of population control, since Cigarette's and Car's aren't doing it fast enough.
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Post by professorx on Jun 7, 2010 16:35:59 GMT -5
The true answer is: we need a new form of population control, since Cigarette's and Car's aren't doing it fast enough. Kicking out citizens? check! Wishing the plague on the foreign born? Check! Checking IDs? Wait, that crosses the line.
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Post by Action! on Jun 8, 2010 7:37:37 GMT -5
They are if you encase them in concrete.
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