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Post by daworm on Jul 8, 2010 7:56:00 GMT -5
That's not where they were captured.
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Post by professorx on Jul 8, 2010 21:33:41 GMT -5
Gitmo IS American soil, just like every American military base and embassy around the world. It is Not "American soil". It is leased. I'll make this easy. If you looked at a map of the United States, Guantanamo Bay would not be on it. We are at the mercy of a lot of other countries when it comes to a lot military bases, they can force out out at any time. Just because we have a base there does not make it "American soil". So using your logic we have a lot of "American soil" in Iraq and Afganistan now?
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Post by printemps on Jul 8, 2010 22:55:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but there's not a perpetual lease in either Iraq or Afghanistan such as the one in Guantanamo. The airspace is ours alone. The Cuban flag does not fly overhead. American franchises (KFC, Starbucks, McDonalds, Subway, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, Wendy's) serve about 10,000 Marines. It would take both governments to break the lease.
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Post by professorx on Jul 8, 2010 23:23:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but there's not a perpetual lease in either Iraq or Afghanistan such as the one in Guantanamo. The airspace is ours alone. The Cuban flag does not fly overhead. American franchises (KFC, Starbucks, McDonalds, Subway, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, Wendy's) serve about 10,000 Marines. It would take both governments to break the lease. It is still a lease. Legally it is still Cuba. If Cuban couple snuck though 10 million landmines and tons of barb wire and the wife had a baby on the base, the kid would be born a citizen of Cuba. This is the exact reason the terrorists are kept there. Admitting them into the United States would open up an enormous can of worms. In my opinion this is why Obama has not allowed them into the United States. To allow them on US territory would be a huge legal problem. IF we allowed them in, what would we do with them after the criminal justice phase if their countries would not take them back? A lot of countries will NOT take back their citizens. In 30 years Pakistan will be an entirely different place. Do you think they'd want a radical terrorist "hero" back into their reformed country? I know it is easy to think "What would feel right, warm and fuzzy now?" but you have to think about these things long term. Think about Noriega. We locked him up for a long time. Finally, like a lot of other people, he had to go. Panama said "Hells No!". If France wouldn't have taken him, he'd be running a fruit stand in Miami now. If we bring those assholes here, we might not be able to get them back out.
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Post by printemps on Jul 9, 2010 9:09:18 GMT -5
Legally it is still Cuba. If Cuban couple snuck though 10 million landmines and tons of barb wire and the wife had a baby on the base, the kid would be born a citizen of Cuba. No es verdad. Dependants born in Guantanamo aren't issued Cuban birth certificates. The Dept. of the Navy runs the hospital in Guantanamo. Dependants born in Germany at a U.S. Army hospital get a German b/c. You can claim the Constitution does not protect enemy aliens who are located in a foreign country. You cannot casually claim Gitmo is so situated.
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Post by professorx on Jul 9, 2010 23:03:20 GMT -5
Legally it is still Cuba. If Cuban couple snuck though 10 million landmines and tons of barb wire and the wife had a baby on the base, the kid would be born a citizen of Cuba. No es verdad. Dependants born in Guantanamo aren't issued Cuban birth certificates. The Dept. of the Navy runs the hospital in Guantanamo. Dependants born in Germany at a U.S. Army hospital get a German b/c. You can claim the Constitution does not protect enemy aliens who are located in a foreign country. You cannot casually claim Gitmo is so situated. Dependants is the key word. Es verdad! Si una persona es nacio en Cuba entonces ello es un cuidadanio de Cuba. Si ellos padres es en el servico militar y cudadanios norte americao es my differente. Pero, si ellos is hijos de la puta (terroristas) ellos teine no suerte. "Lo siento puto terrorista" no ley de los estados unidos por usted. Spell checker barely works in english for me. It started smoking for this message. I may have crashed the message base. Espanol! (Espanol muy malo)
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Post by printemps on Jul 10, 2010 9:35:57 GMT -5
Dependants is the key word. No other military post has the same SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) as Guantanamo. Others are unambiguously part of the host nation's territory. The birth certificate issue identifies the distinction.
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Post by gridbug on Jul 12, 2010 12:02:20 GMT -5
Yes, just like we have American soil in any country where we have an Embassy.
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Post by professorx on Jul 14, 2010 22:08:17 GMT -5
Yes, just like we have American soil in any country where we have an Embassy. Who else shares this odd definition?
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