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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 11:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by el Gusano on Nov 9, 2010 12:29:14 GMT -5
Good for them!
Let individuals choose which company will haul their trash, or if they will take it to the dump themselves!
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 12:44:13 GMT -5
Good for them! Let individuals choose which company will haul their trash, or if they will take it to the dump themselves! Without consolidation of demand, economies of scale will not be achieved, and the town will pay more for trash services in the aggregate. Penny wise, pound foolish. Basic microeconomics 101 dictates that this kind of irrational, emotinally-overwrought teaparty nonsense will not sustain itself. |
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Post by el Gusano on Nov 9, 2010 13:21:46 GMT -5
And those who want to participate in the town's plan can do that, as well, if they so choose, and if they vote it in.
Go back to individual liberty, the way it should be.
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 13:27:21 GMT -5
And those who want to participate in the town's plan can do that, as well, if they so choose, and if they vote it in. Go back to individual liberty, the way it should be. Yeah, since curbside trash pickup is such a threat to individual liberty. We'll see how "free" people feel when they are paying through the nose for numerous services that aren't procured in a manner that allows economies of scale and consolidation of demand. |
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Post by el Gusano on Nov 9, 2010 13:32:00 GMT -5
Funny, but I haven't had forced government curb side service in the last 15 years (TN, AK, and TX) and I'm perfectly happy with the way things work.
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 13:38:45 GMT -5
Funny, but I haven't had forced government curb side service in the last 15 years (TN, AK, and TX) and I'm perfectly happy with the way things work. And I've had a city-government-managed program that has provided excellent service at a reasonable cost and has not "threatened my personal freedoms" in any manner whatsoever. |
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Post by osrb on Nov 9, 2010 13:43:03 GMT -5
Good for them! Let individuals choose which company will haul their trash, or if they will take it to the dump themselves! Without consolidation of demand, economies of scale will not be achieved, and the town will pay more for trash services in the aggregate. Penny wise, pound foolish. Basic microeconomics 101 dictates that this kind of irrational, emotinally-overwrought teaparty nonsense will not sustain itself. this is just not true. I live in an area where we do not have city run trash pick up. The cost to me if I so choose to have a private company pick up my trash is about $15-$20 a month. I can choose from a couple different companies so there is competition that keeps the price low and if I so choose I can just take the trash to the land fill and pay only $5 each time for household trash. So you logic does not work. |
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Post by rstewart on Nov 9, 2010 13:47:00 GMT -5
Anytime the government forces you to do something it is a DIRECT threat to your personal liberty.
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 13:48:43 GMT -5
this is just not true. I live in an area where we do not have city run trash pick up. The cost to me if I so choose to have a private company pick up my trash is about $15-$20 a month. I can choose from a couple different companies so there is competition that keeps the price low and if I so choose I can just take the trash to the land fill and pay only $5 each time for household trash. So you logic does not work. Nice little story, but you haven't shown that my logic "does not work" until you demonstrate that a city-run system would somehow cost you more than $20/month. |
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 13:52:28 GMT -5
Anytime the government forces you to do something it is a DIRECT threat to your personal liberty. This is not a very balanced perspective. Are stop signs a "threat to personal liberty" or are they "necessary compromises required to maintain an orderly society"? |
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Post by osrb on Nov 9, 2010 13:54:52 GMT -5
You have not shown where city run would cost less.
What proof do you have for this statement. I at least put real numbers to my post you have posted nothing but left wing B.S. to the uneducated your stuff sounds good but to those of use over 20 and educated we know the truth.
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 13:59:52 GMT -5
You have not shown where city run would cost less. Nope, because I don't have access to my city's budget numbers right at this moment, nor, given your unnecessarily hostile tone, am I currently inclined to provide you with information that might help you. I don't care if you don't believe me. If you are so willing to simply write off Economics 101 as "left wing BS", then you are free to continue to pay through the nose for service. Good luck! |
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Post by osrb on Nov 9, 2010 14:04:15 GMT -5
Nope not really I went past 101 to macro, micro, and business finance.
Almost forgot Accounting 1and 2 plus statistics 1 and 2.
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 14:07:31 GMT -5
Nope not really I went past 101 to macro, micro, and business finance. Almost forgot Accounting 1and 2 plus statistics 1 and 2. What can I say? Ds get degrees, even at Cowtown State Bible College.....  Too bad you didn't grasp the notion of economies of scale very well. |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Nov 9, 2010 14:15:16 GMT -5
Good for them! Let individuals choose which company will haul their trash, or if they will take it to the dump themselves! Without consolidation of demand, economies of scale will not be achieved, and the town will pay more for trash services in the aggregate. Penny wise, pound foolish. Basic microeconomics 101 dictates that this kind of irrational, emotinally-overwrought teaparty nonsense will not sustain itself. I have chosen to reduce the amount of garbage I produce by choosing the consumables I use based partly on their packaging, reusing everything I can and recycling almost all the rest. My household of three has gone from producing about 50 gallons worth of trash headed to the landfill a week to about 5 gallons a month. Several other families in my neighborhood have done the same thing. If the city takes over my garbage disposal my tax bill will have to go up about $250-$300/year as opposed to the >$50/yr I currently pay by dropping off a load for the landfill at the transfer station every six weeks or so. Why should I be concerned about the aggregate when I can control my individual costs much better with just a little planning and work on my part? |
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Post by rstewart on Nov 9, 2010 14:21:13 GMT -5
So that some bureacrat can have a job overseeing the paperwork they require the garbage company to submit to them.
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 14:27:17 GMT -5
Without consolidation of demand, economies of scale will not be achieved, and the town will pay more for trash services in the aggregate. Penny wise, pound foolish. Basic microeconomics 101 dictates that this kind of irrational, emotinally-overwrought teaparty nonsense will not sustain itself. I have chosen to reduce the amount of garbage I produce by choosing the consumables I use based partly on their packaging, reusing everything I can and recycling almost all the rest. My household of three has gone from producing about 50 gallons worth of trash headed to the landfill a week to about 5 gallons a month. Several other families in my neighborhood have done the same thing. If the city takes over my garbage disposal my tax bill will have to go up about $250-$300/year as opposed to the >$50/yr I currently pay by dropping off a load for the landfill at the transfer station every six weeks or so. Why should I be concerned about the aggregate when I can control my individual costs much better with just a little planning and work on my part? Kudos for your responsible environmental stewardship. If everyone followed your example, then this discussion would likely be moot. But that's simply not the case, nor is it likely to be the case anytime soon; therefore, the need to weigh trash pickup as a potential public good is eminently reasonable, and overwrought nonsense like referring to it as some kind of "socialism" is a sad commentary on the befouled public discourse in this country today. |
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 14:27:57 GMT -5
So that some bureacrat can have a job overseeing the paperwork they require the garbage company to submit to them. Because private companies don't do paperwork. |
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Post by rstewart on Nov 9, 2010 14:29:17 GMT -5
Try living in the country sometime, we've been doing this stuff for years. No garbage service available and who wants to go to the landfill every sat? Not me!
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 14:32:01 GMT -5
Try living in the country sometime, we've been doing this stuff for years. No garbage service available and who wants to go to the landfill every sat? Not me! So the solution is to have everyone "live in the country"? That's not very realistic. |
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Post by Warkitty on Nov 9, 2010 14:35:48 GMT -5
I've lived in the country and in the city.
I gotta say, I like curbside garbage rather than finding a service or hauling it myself. Strangely, I don't find the City of Red Bank picking up my trash, yard clippings, or even discarded furniture or hot tub from the curb to be a threat to my civil liberties. I find it incredibly convenient and a great use of my tax money to pay someone who otherwise might have no job or possibly the ability to run a business himself to do it for me.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Nov 9, 2010 14:39:23 GMT -5
I have chosen to reduce the amount of garbage I produce by choosing the consumables I use based partly on their packaging, reusing everything I can and recycling almost all the rest. My household of three has gone from producing about 50 gallons worth of trash headed to the landfill a week to about 5 gallons a month. Several other families in my neighborhood have done the same thing. If the city takes over my garbage disposal my tax bill will have to go up about $250-$300/year as opposed to the >$50/yr I currently pay by dropping off a load for the landfill at the transfer station every six weeks or so. Why should I be concerned about the aggregate when I can control my individual costs much better with just a little planning and work on my part? Kudos for your responsible environmental stewardship. If everyone followed your example, then this discussion would likely be moot. But that's simply not the case, nor is it likely to be the case anytime soon; therefore, the need to weigh trash pickup as a potential public good is eminently reasonable, and overwrought nonsense like referring to it as some kind of "socialism" is a sad commentary on the befouled public discourse in this country today. But it is a form of socialism in the purest form of the idea, it's public control and provision of resources rather than private control and provision of resources. And in my case it punishes my good stewardship of resources by increasing my costs. In my case private control and provisioning of resources are much more efficient than turning the chore over to society. |
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Post by BlackFox on Nov 9, 2010 14:40:43 GMT -5
Black Fox garbage service..  |
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 14:43:30 GMT -5
But it is a form of socialism in the purest form of the idea, it's public control and provision of resources rather than private control and provision of resources. And in my case it punishes my good stewardship of resources by increasing my costs. In my case private control and provisioning of resources are much more efficient than turning the chore over to society. Same could be said of fire and police services. If you want to condemn such basic building blocks of modern society as "socialism", then I'd say that you are way, WAY out of the mainstream. |
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Post by rstewart on Nov 9, 2010 14:44:59 GMT -5
Black Fox garbage service.. I see I'm not the only one!!!!! |
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Post by rstewart on Nov 9, 2010 14:45:57 GMT -5
Garbage service a basic building block of society? Who is out of the mainstream?  ?? |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Nov 9, 2010 14:46:14 GMT -5
But it is a form of socialism in the purest form of the idea, it's public control and provision of resources rather than private control and provision of resources. And in my case it punishes my good stewardship of resources by increasing my costs. In my case private control and provisioning of resources are much more efficient than turning the chore over to society. Same could be said of fire and police services. If you want to condemn such basic building blocks of modern society as "socialism", then I'd say that you are way, WAY out of the mainstream. Since this past election shows that the Tea Party ideas are mainstream maybe you need to readjust your ideas of mainstream. |
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Post by mincerray on Nov 9, 2010 14:52:39 GMT -5
Since this past election shows that the Tea Party ideas are mainstream maybe you need to readjust your ideas of mainstream. You are misreading the election. Only about 32% of Tea Party candidates won in an election that was overwhelmingly characterized by low turnouts and homogeneous pools of voters (skewed heavily to the old and white). In short, it was a midterm, and the Tea Party had a pretty weak showing. If you think that this is some kind of indication that the Tea Party is "mainstream", then you are in for a rude awakening. Even the Tea Party is now running away from what it campaigned on. |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Nov 9, 2010 15:06:42 GMT -5
Since this past election shows that the Tea Party ideas are mainstream maybe you need to readjust your ideas of mainstream. You are misreading the election. Only about 32% of Tea Party candidates won in an election that was overwhelmingly characterized by low turnouts and homogeneous pools of voters (skewed heavily to the old and white). In short, it was a midterm, and the Tea Party had a pretty weak showing. If you think that this is some kind of indication that the Tea Party is "mainstream", then you are in for a rude awakening. Even the Tea Party is now running away from what it campaigned on. Keep underestimating them like you have for the past two years and keep trying to marginalize them among your friends. You will only manage to give them even more power in the next election. These people are now mainstream, thanks mostly due to the apathy of everyone else, and they will turn their ideas into laws that you will live under. |
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