Majority still wants ObamaCare repealed

[el Gusano]

Most people are still opposed to "progressive" plan of Marxism.

Voters continue to favor repeal of the new national health care plan, and most continue to believe the law will be bad for the country overall.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law. Thirty-seven percent (37%) oppose repeal. These findings include 46% who Strongly Favor Repeal and 30% who Strongly Oppose it. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

A majority of voters have favored repeal in every Rasmussen Reports survey since Democrats in Congress passed the law in late March. Voter support for repeal has ranged from 50% to 63%.

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[Scarlet&Gray]

58% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law

They somewhat favor a repeal. So does that mean all or just the parts they like? It could read 58% somewhat favor the health care bill.

[BlackFox]

I wonder how much of that 58% still believe the mis-information about "death panels" and "Viagra for child molesters" and such?

[el Gusano]

I wonder how many of that 58% simply want the federal government out of something it has not business being involved in?

[LimitedRecourse]

I wonder how many of that 58% still believe in free health care...or that premiums won't go up...or that medical services won't be rationed just as they have in every single country that has tried to provide universal health care? Many countries are trying to get OUT of universal care, but it's difficult to un-ring that bell.

And if you don't think that "death" panels and national sales taxes are in the future plans for this administration & supporters, you really ARE blinded by your own ideology. Do a little research into health care discussions from this past weekend....Nobel Prize winners from the Left are saying things like "....they're (death panels & national sales taxes) inevitable if the system is to work properly. It is only a matter of time before they become reality in this country."

You poor, blind, liberal souls.

[Scarlet&Gray]

wonder how many of that 58% simply want the federal government out of something it has not business being involved in?

I'd say somewhat about 58% want somewhat of that. 58% somewhat want the government. Depends on the poll and the wording i reckon.

[Scarlet&Gray]

I like the pre-exisiting conditions clause somewhat about 58% of the time

[LimitedRecourse]

Anyone else hear that whining noise?

[el Gusano]

I think it's wrong that if someone is at fault in 18 accidents, with 13 DUI's, and killed a few families that auto insurance should be able to deny them for that pre-existing condition.

[printemps]

According to an Associated Press-GfK Poll conducted just after last week's elections, 39 percent back the GOP effort to repeal it or scale it back.

Fifty-eight percent would rather make even more changes in the health care system or leave the measure alone.

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[Scarlet&Gray]

I think it's wrong that if someone is at fault in 18 accidents, with 13 DUI's, and killed a few families that auto insurance should be able to deny them for that pre-existing condition.

Apples and Oranges. But 58% of the somewhat most your posts are.

[Scarlet&Gray]

Anyone else hear that whining noise?

No, check your serpitine belt.

[el Gusano]

Nov 15, 2010 20:47:00 GMT -5 Scarlet&Gray said:

Apples and Oranges. But 58% of the somewhat most your posts are.

Perhaps you can enlighten us exactly to what the difference is.

[LimitedRecourse]

Nov 15, 2010 20:47:33 GMT -5 Scarlet&Gray said:

Anyone else hear that whining noise?

No, check your serpitine belt.

No rebuttal from your end.

[Scarlet&Gray]

Anyone else hear that whining

You want some cheese with your whine?

[LimitedRecourse]

Not if you cut it.

[osrb]

I do believe that health care needs to be worked on this bill they did it completely wrong. Any time a politician says "Pass it then we will find out what is in it" scares the crap out of me. Who do they think they are forcing though bills that cannot be read until they are passed then give less then 24hrs to read a 2400 pg bill before it is forced upon us. I tried to read it and got about 50 pages into it and had to stop because it just could not be followed. What i did find out was. It creates hundreds of new federal agencies with NO over site. It forces people to purchase insurance even if they choose not to, gives very generously to special interest and unions, does not even come close to fixing the real problems, and last but not least they our kings, queens, prince and princesses exclude their selves from it.

[printemps]

Nov 17, 2010 12:45:54 GMT -5 osrb said:

It creates hundreds of new federal agencies with NO over site.

Hundreds, wow. Any four spring to mind? The non-profit Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute is one I can find.

Health insurers last year gave $86.2 million to the US Chamber to oppose the health-care overhaul law with attack ads. No oversight there. That's money that could have been used to reduce premiums.

[osrb]

These are just some of them. Ok they are not all agencies but over expansion of old ones.

Below is a list of new boards and commissions created in the Obamacare bill.

1. Grant program for consumer assistance offices (Section 1002, p. 37)

2. Grant program for states to monitor premium increases (Section 1003, p. 42)

3. Committee to review administrative simplification standards (Section 1104, p. 71)

4. Demonstration program for state wellness programs (Section 1201, p. 93)

5. Grant program to establish state Exchanges (Section 1311(a), p. 130)

6. State American Health Benefit Exchanges (Section 1311(b), p. 131)

7. Exchange grants to establish consumer navigator programs (Section 1311(i), p. 150)

8. Grant program for state cooperatives (Section 1322, p. 169)

9. Advisory board for state cooperatives (Section 1322(b)(3), p. 173)

10. Private purchasing council for state cooperatives (Section 1322(d), p. 177)

11. State basic health plan programs (Section 1331, p. 201)

12. State-based reinsurance program (Section 1341, p. 226)

13. Program of risk corridors for individual and small group markets (Section 1342, p. 233)

14. Program to determine eligibility for Exchange participation (Section 1411, p. 267)

15. Program for advance determination of tax credit eligibility (Section 1412, p. 288)

16. Grant program to implement health IT enrollment standards (Section 1561, p. 370)

17. Federal Coordinated Health Care Office for dual eligible beneficiaries (Section 2602, p. 512)

18. Medicaid quality measurement program (Section 2701, p. 518)

19. Medicaid health home program for people with chronic conditions, and grants for planning same (Section 2703, p. 524)

20. Medicaid demonstration project to evaluate bundled payments (Section 2704, p. 532)

21. Medicaid demonstration project for global payment system (Section 2705, p. 536)

22. Medicaid demonstration project for accountable care organizations (Section 2706, p. 538)

23. Medicaid demonstration project for emergency psychiatric care (Section 2707, p. 540)

24. Grant program for delivery of services to individuals with postpartum depression (Section 2952(b), p. 591)

25. State allotments for grants to promote personal responsibility education programs (Section 2953, p. 596)

26. Medicare value-based purchasing program (Section 3001(a), p. 613)

27. Medicare value-based purchasing demonstration program for critical access hospitals (Section 3001(b), p. 637)

28. Medicare value-based purchasing program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 3006(a), p. 666)

29. Medicare value-based purchasing program for home health agencies (Section 3006(b), p. 668)

30. Interagency Working Group on Health Care Quality (Section 3012, p. 688)

31. Grant program to develop health care quality measures (Section 3013, p. 693)

32. Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Section 3021, p. 712)

33. Medicare shared savings program (Section 3022, p. 728)

34. Medicare pilot program on payment bundling (Section 3023, p. 739)

35. Independence at home medical practice demonstration program (Section 3024, p. 752)

36. Program for use of patient safety organizations to reduce hospital readmission rates (Section 3025(b), p. 775)

37. Community-based care transitions program (Section 3026, p. 776)

38. Demonstration project for payment of complex diagnostic laboratory tests (Section 3113, p. 800)

[printemps]

Nov 17, 2010 17:03:11 GMT -5 osrb said:

These are just some of them. Ok they are not all agencies but over expansion of old ones.

Exactly.

So, the HHS Secretary sets up an "Independence at Home Medical Practice Demonstration Program' (Section 3024, p. 752) whose objective would be:

‘‘(A) reducing preventable hospitalizations;
‘‘(B) preventing hospital readmissions;
‘‘(C) reducing emergency room visits;
‘‘(D) improving health outcomes commensurate with
the beneficiaries’ stage of chronic illness;
‘‘(E) improving the efficiency of care, such as by
reducing duplicative diagnostic and laboratory tests;
‘‘(F) reducing the cost of health care services covered
under this title; and
‘‘(G) achieving beneficiary and family caregiver satisfaction."

There's oversight, as far as I can tell. Practically, speaking, it would only be reviewed at the Cong. staff level, if at all.

Count on the law being made even longer in the next Congress.