Question to LEO's

[osrb]

If someone brakes into your house and your dog attacks them would the dog be taken and put down as a dangerous animal?

[professorx]

Nov 14, 2011 21:09:18 GMT -5 osrb said:

If someone breaks into your house and your dog attacks them would the dog be taken and put down as a dangerous animal?

Tell me this is not happening...

[osrb]

Nov 14, 2011 21:22:34 GMT -5 professorx said:

Nov 14, 2011 21:09:18 GMT -5 osrb said:

If someone breaks into your house and your dog attacks them would the dog be taken and put down as a dangerous animal?

Tell me this is not happening...

A friend of mine had their house broken into the other day. The dog attacked the intruder putting number of holes in him. The intruder ran off like the little bitch he is. My friend did not call the police because of concern on what would happen to the dog. Just cleaned up the blood and got new locks.

[Tsavodiner]

Nov 14, 2011 21:09:18 GMT -5 osrb said:

If someone brakes into your house and your dog attacks them would the dog be taken and put down as a dangerous animal?

Well, if they were braking the question follows: When was the first observable event?

Now, if they just sped up to the red light, flashed their blue lights, then ran it, was the dog a merganser or an airedale?

The question makes about as much sense

[duke]

Call the dog a booby trap and see where that leads.

Unless the dog has rabies the dog may be safe.

Tsavodiner: since when does the law make sense? Or more importantly, when do those enforcing the law make sense?

[goomba]

Nov 14, 2011 21:34:37 GMT -5 osrb said:

Nov 14, 2011 21:22:34 GMT -5 professorx said:

Tell me this is not happening...

A friend of mine had their house broken into the other day. The dog attacked the intruder putting number of holes in him. The intruder ran off like the little bitch he is. My friend did not call the police because of concern on what would happen to the dog. Just cleaned up the blood and got new locks.

the dog should not be in any trouble. but they do need to report the break in. just my opinion.

I'd check with the police moderator & warkitty, just to be sure.

[professorx]

Nov 14, 2011 22:32:25 GMT -5 duke said:

Call the dog a booby trap and see where that leads.

Unless the dog has rabies the dog may be safe.

Tsavodiner: since when does the law make sense? Or more importantly, when do those enforcing the law make sense?

Duke, you must admit that it is sad that a victim is afraid to call the police. He is not afraid because the cops are going to beat his ass, but afraid of our litigious society.

I don't know if you have a comparison, but our cops here are professional and mild compared to every other place I have been.
Other parts of the criminal justice system are deeply flawed here, but the rank and file officers are good to go, second to none.

If you have general complaints against police over-reaching or abusing their authority on a national level, then address it on a national level. Don't thow out the baby with the bath water.

[Tsavodiner]

I'm just having a little dig at our friend, osrb, over his police-driving diatribe last week.

Nobody's gonna take your friend's dog; most cops would give it a medal and a year's supply of Alpo while secretly wishing it was rabid as a pack of ravening wolves for burglar-boy.

[professorx]

Nov 14, 2011 23:08:38 GMT -5 Tsavodiner said:

I'm just having a little dig at our friend, osrb, over his police-driving diatribe last week.

Nobody's gonna take your friend's dog; most cops would give it a medal and a year's supply of Alpo while secretly wishing it was rabid as a pack of ravening wolves for burglar-boy.

Yeah, but who would call the heroic canine a menace to society, a threat to children everywhere, a rabid mutt in a civil suit. "Mr. Bad-guy wasn't there to rob the place, he was only there to borrow a cup of sugar when Cujo attacked. He was only wearing the ski-mask because of the high-pollen count... He was wearing the ski-mask because it was cold. Mr. Bad-guy now suffers from Post traumatic stress syndrome and is unable to conjugate with Mrs. Badguy. The dog was an inherent danger, just like keeping a lion in the house."

Blah... You might want to have the dog tested for hepatitis, HIV and a range of other blood borne pathogens that can be derived from a IV drug user.

I missed OSRB's anti-police rant. It is bad-guy propaganda, and a lot of people are suceptable. Who would want people to be afraid to call the cops? Bad guys. In this case, a burglar gets away scot-free because OSRB's buddy is more afraid of the cops than the bad-guy. Mission accomplished.

The people who initiate this propaganda (criminal defense attorneys, not OSRB) lose. No bad guy in jail equals no one to represent (money). The victim loses. There is no defendant for the local DA to offer a super-sweet plea deal to. The cops don't get to use thier blue lights to race from Glass/Wisdom Street to the suburbs. The only winner was Cujo, who I am sure got steak that night.

If Cujo ends up in doggy-jail I will donate to the defense fund.

[osrb]

Nov 14, 2011 22:44:19 GMT -5 goomba said:

Nov 14, 2011 21:34:37 GMT -5 osrb said:

A friend of mine had their house broken into the other day. The dog attacked the intruder putting number of holes in him. The intruder ran off like the little bitch he is. My friend did not call the police because of concern on what would happen to the dog. Just cleaned up the blood and got new locks.

the dog should not be in any trouble. but they do need to report the break in. just my opinion.

I'd check with the police moderator & warkitty, just to be sure.

That is why I am posting the question here. I feel that this is something everyone should know.

[BlackFox]

I have my property posted with Beware of Dog signs. I've always assumed(possibly mistakingly) there wouldn't be liability on me or my dog if an uninvited person was bitten.

Anyway, he barks a lot before attacking, so the perp would probably get shot first anyway.

[Justin Thyme]

Nov 15, 2011 8:49:02 GMT -5 BlackFox said:

I have my property posted with Beware of Dog signs. I've always assumed(possibly mistakingly) there wouldn't be liability on me or my dog if an uninvited person was bitten.

Anyway, he barks a lot before attacking, so the perp would probably get shot first anyway.

From a liability standpoint, if your property is posted and the dog is not running free you are not being negligent so you should incur no liability. How the community might view your animal is another matter.

[osrb]

Anyway, he barks a lot before attacking, so the perp would probably get shot first anyway.

The things is that the dog usually barks when people come to the door. this time he went into predator mode and never made a sound until he attacked the perp.

[BlackFox]

Nov 15, 2011 9:44:09 GMT -5 Justin Thyme said:

From a liability standpoint, if your property is posted and the dog is not running free you are not being negligent so you should incur no liability. How the community might view your animal is another matter.

No problem, I'm the Mayor(self appointed).

My house is on a private road, and my nearest neighbor is 200 yards away. My dog doesn't leave our property unless he's with me. Also, everyone we know can pull up to our house and get out and tackle our dog if they want to. Strangers? Not so much.

/Chocolate Lab.

[Justin Thyme]

My dog doesn't leave our property unless he's with me.

That could be a problem. If I have business with you and your dog is running free on your property how do I knock on your door to alert you of my presence without getting bit? If the dog bites, and all dogs have that propensity, you will be liable for that dog bite unless reasonable care has been taken to keep the dog from having access to a reasonable guest.

[Warkitty]

The police would be unlikely to take the dog.

IF the perp makes a claim however... either in civil court for damages OR against your homeowners insurance, you may be dealing with a different situation. In one case, it comes down to the individual judge. A friend of mine about 15yrs ago had to go to civil court after a perp that broke into his home tried to sue him for damages incurred by the dog biting his knee (then holding him calmly by the throat on the floor till the family returned to deal with the intruder). That judge threw it out. Not all will. Some will find for the perp and call it a dangerous dog to be put down.

In an insurance claim, you're screwed. The insurance company will insist on you getting rid of the dog or they'll drop you like a fresh piece of shit.

[Warkitty]

Additionally, other states have different rules regarding dogs attacking intruders in the home.

[Police Moderator]

Just cleaned up the blood and got new locks.

Me? "Back in, D-5*......"

*De-coded = Back in service, no report.

That is just me, but (here's the official Police Blotter disclaimer in fine print) I am not Duke or Flores.

And Flores would probably present, in court, a sworn, written statement (On an official, notarized yellow legal pad) translated from the rabid-pit-bull-doberman-ex-LE K-9-wolf's verbal utterances, admitting that the obviously vicious and distempered coyote's culpability and monetary civil responsibility to the poor plaintiff.

And, furthermore and hereby, that the dog confessed, in writing, to luring the poor, gullible, trusting and misunderstood bitee into the open, unsecured, public access residence (That had a neon sign {Since removed and destroyed by the defendant} that said, "Welcome, Come On In and Take My Stuff' in five languages).

A similarly incredible perjured statement was offered as evidence, in Federal Court, by Mr. Flores in the past, so don't be so quick to .

[Tsavodiner]

ROFLMAO, as they say. Positively Mark Twainian