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[duke]

Georgia Bill Would Require Religious Display on All License Plates
November 30, 2011 Emily Krueger


A new bill pre-filed in the Georgia General Assembly this month would not only allow drivers to obtain license plates reading “In God We Trust,” but would in fact require them on all vehicles – unless drivers pay to cover it up. Georgia SB 293 would amend current law to mandate that, starting next summer, all plates would be imprinted with the religious declaration. If someone does not wish to exhibit this statement of faith, they would be required to purchase a sticker from the state displaying the name of their county that could be used to cover “In God We Trust.”

The bill text currently available on the legislature’s website really drives home the dramatic change in attitudes by the Assembly, as you can clearly see what has been crossed out and changed. While displaying the county name is the current “default” choice for Georgia drivers and alternatively they may purchase an “In God We Trust” sticker, this bill would directly swap the two, making the religious motto the routine option.

Mandating that individuals pay money to the government in order to not flaunt religious views is absolutely ridiculous. As the website Georgia Politico aptly puts it, “In other words, if you feel the government should not be establishing a religion, you are going to have to pay to prove it.”

The effort is particularly absurd as it was just earlier this year that these same plates were one of the choices available to Georgia voters to choose under a referendum. With a significant number of people rejecting the religious option this summer, state officials have now chosen to simply force it upon them instead. We will be following this bill carefully when the legislature comes back in session in January.

Opinion expressed above: www.secularnewsdaily.com/2011/11/30/georgia-bill-would-require-religious-display-on-all-license-plates/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+paliban%2FRDkF+%28Secular+News+Daily%29
Proposed Law: www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/versions/sb293_SB_293_Prefile_2.htm

[Justin Thyme]

Georgia has some wacky legislators and they introduce some wacky bills. Most of them never get out of committee. I believe this wacky bill will join those other wacky bills that don't get out of committee.

[TNBear]

One can only hope. As near as I can tell all bets are off regarding the behavior of our elected office holders. Most will say and do whatever they think will get them re-elected so they may continue to suck the taxpayers tit.

[osrb]

spray paint will work for a cover up.

[creekcat62]

Why not just leave the plate blank and let people buy "In God We Trust" stickers?
Well, not exactly blank, but where the county sticker would be.

[duke]

Dec 4, 2011 13:40:20 GMT -5 creekcat62 said:

Why not just leave the plate blank and let people buy "In God We Trust" stickers?
Well, not exactly blank, but where the county sticker would be.

Why? That would be too close to atheism. Secular government, not pandering to Christian religious interests.

Currently there are a lot of Christian organizations that are feeling the threat of the Muslim religion. The masses must be reminded that the Christians should be in power and displaying their allegiance to the Christian God. For the most part freedom is not really compatible with religion.

[Justin Thyme]

Currently there are a lot of Christian organizations that are feeling the threat of the Muslim religion.

Name three.

[professorx]

Dec 4, 2011 15:09:53 GMT -5 duke said:

Dec 4, 2011 13:40:20 GMT -5 creekcat62 said:

Why not just leave the plate blank and let people buy "In God We Trust" stickers?
Well, not exactly blank, but where the county sticker would be.

Why? That would be too close to atheism. Secular government, not pandering to Christian religious interests.

Currently there are a lot of Christian organizations that are feeling the threat of the Muslim religion. The masses must be reminded that the Christians should be in power and displaying their allegiance to the Christian God. For the most part freedom is not really compatible with religion.

Of course this applies only to evangelicals, I'm sure.

Do you really believe this? If atheists, religious evangelicals, etc., are shut out of this process how is this freedom? If the atheists can fight for freedom from religion, then why should the evangelical zealots not be able to fight for what they think it best. Its freedom.

I personally feel a lot more pressure about what to think, do, eat, drink from lefties than I do the "bible thumpers". Tell a Baptist you don't go to church and you are fresh meat, tell a raging liberal that you do not believe in man-made global warming and you are dead to them. Which is best?

Why should any group be shut out in a process that is supposedly free?

[duke]

The process appears to be open. But #1, why such a requirement, #2. the opt-out to cost money?
OK Altogether now let us sing a hymn to MY God.

The Christian evangelicals are in religious majority.

What state or national politician has been elected proclaiming to be anything other than a christian church member in good standing? There are no better clubs to claim membership in when running for a political office in the USof A.

[duke]

Dec 5, 2011 8:48:57 GMT -5 Justin Thyme said:

Currently there are a lot of Christian organizations that are feeling the threat of the Muslim religion.

Name three.

FORT WORTH — Stand on a corner in this city and you might get a case of theological whiplash.

A public bus rolls by with an atheist message on its side: “Millions of people are good without God.” Seconds later, a van follows bearing a riposte: “I still love you. — God,” with another line that says, “2.1 billion Christians are good with God.”

But the reaction from believers has been harsher than anyone in the nonbeliever’s club expected. Some ministers organized a boycott of the buses, with limited success. Other clergy members are pressing the Fort Worth Transportation Authority to ban all religious advertising on public buses. And a group of local businessmen paid for the van with the Christian message to follow the atheist-messaged buses around town.

The ads have incited anger in some places. Vandals destroyed two bus ads in Detroit, ruined a billboard in Tampa, Fla., and defaced 10 billboards in Sacramento. One billboard in Cincinnati was taken down after the landlord received threats.

And the local rapid transit authority in Des Moines pulled atheist ads off its buses in August last year because of complaints from local religious leaders. Four days later, however, the authority reversed its position after the local group that had bought the ads threatened legal action on First Amendment grounds.

Some of the fiercest criticism has come from black religious leaders. The Rev. Kyev Tatum Sr., president of the local Southern Christian Leadership Conference, has called for a boycott of the buses, saying the ads are a direct attack during a sacred time in the Christian calendar.

Need any more?
www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/us/14atheist.html

[Justin Thyme]

Dec 8, 2011 21:30:12 GMT -5 duke said:

Currently there are a lot of Christian organizations that are feeling the threat of the Muslim religion.

Dec 5, 2011 8:48:57 GMT -5 Justin Thyme said:

Name three.

FORT WORTH — Stand on a corner in this city and you might get a case of theological whiplash.

A public bus rolls by with an atheist message on its side: “Millions of people are good without God.” Seconds later, a van follows bearing a riposte: “I still love you. — God,” with another line that says, “2.1 billion Christians are good with God.”

But the reaction from believers has been harsher than anyone in the nonbeliever’s club expected. Some ministers organized a boycott of the buses, with limited success. Other clergy members are pressing the Fort Worth Transportation Authority to ban all religious advertising on public buses. And a group of local businessmen paid for the van with the Christian message to follow the atheist-messaged buses around town.

The ads have incited anger in some places. Vandals destroyed two bus ads in Detroit, ruined a billboard in Tampa, Fla., and defaced 10 billboards in Sacramento. One billboard in Cincinnati was taken down after the landlord received threats.

And the local rapid transit authority in Des Moines pulled atheist ads off its buses in August last year because of complaints from local religious leaders. Four days later, however, the authority reversed its position after the local group that had bought the ads threatened legal action on First Amendment grounds.

Some of the fiercest criticism has come from black religious leaders. The Rev. Kyev Tatum Sr., president of the local Southern Christian Leadership Conference, has called for a boycott of the buses, saying the ads are a direct attack during a sacred time in the Christian calendar.

Need any more?
www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/us/14atheist.html

We aren't talking atheist, we are talking Muslims. What Christian organizations are feeling threatened by Muslims?

[duke]

Updated, 12:45 p.m. | After a protracted battle that set off a national debate over freedom of religion, a Muslim center and mosque to be built two blocks from ground zero surmounted a final hurdle on Tuesday.

The city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission voted 9 to 0 against granting historic protection to the building at 45-47 Park Place in Lower Manhattan, where the $100 million center would be built.

That decision clears the way for the construction of Park51, a tower of as many as 15 stories that will house a mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, and a pool. Its leaders say it will be modeled on the Y.M.C.A. and Jewish Community Center in Manhattan.

The vote on Tuesday was free of much of the vitriol that had been part of previous hearings. One by one, members of the commission debated the aesthetic significance of the building, designed in the Italian Renaissance Palazzo style by an unknown architect.[snip]
cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/mosque-near-ground-zero-clears-key-hurdle/

A suicide bomber blew himself up Friday at a mosque in northeast Afghanistan, killing four people, including a local police chief, authorities said.

The bombing occurred about 2 p.m. in the yard of a mosque in Ghazi Abad district of Kunar province after Friday prayers, said Gen. Ewaz Mohammad Naziri, the provincial police chief.

Naziri said the district police chief, his body guard, a civilian and an employee of the Afghan intelligence service died in the attack. Five others were wounded in the blast, he said.

"It was a brutal act against Afghan Muslims inside a mosque," he said. "They had gathered for prayers and he entered and blew himself up." www.beloitdailynews.com/news/world/afghan-police-suicide-bombing-kills-people/article_abb97001-5538-55df-be63-0311706bd3c3.html

A plan to build an Islamic community center in the middle-Tennessee town of Murfreesboro sparked an eruption of ugly criticism on Thursday from some residents who don't want a mosque built in their backyard.

More than 600 people turned out for a meeting of the Rutherford County Commission Thursday night, with some sharing their opposition in public comments that at times turned intolerant.

"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, the pastor of World Outreach Church, said at the meeting. abcnews.go.com/WN/murfreesboro-tennessee-mosque-plan-draws-criticism-residents/story?id=10956381

Added 12-13-11

news.yahoo.com/backlash-lowes-ads-pulled-muslim-show-091701562.html
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lowe's Home Improvement has found itself facing a backlash after the retail giant pulled ads from a reality show about American Muslims.
The retail giant stopped advertising on TLC's "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
The show premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families from Dearborn, Mich., a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population. <snip>
news.yahoo.com/backlash-lowes-ads-pulled-muslim-show-091701562.html

Better?

[Justin Thyme]

Dec 9, 2011 12:49:27 GMT -5 duke said:

Updated, 12:45 p.m. | After a protracted battle that set off a national debate over freedom of religion, a Muslim center and mosque to be built two blocks from ground zero surmounted a final hurdle on Tuesday.

The city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission voted 9 to 0 against granting historic protection to the building at 45-47 Park Place in Lower Manhattan, where the $100 million center would be built.

That decision clears the way for the construction of Park51, a tower of as many as 15 stories that will house a mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, and a pool. Its leaders say it will be modeled on the Y.M.C.A. and Jewish Community Center in Manhattan.

The vote on Tuesday was free of much of the vitriol that had been part of previous hearings. One by one, members of the commission debated the aesthetic significance of the building, designed in the Italian Renaissance Palazzo style by an unknown architect.[snip]
cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/mosque-near-ground-zero-clears-key-hurdle/

A suicide bomber blew himself up Friday at a mosque in northeast Afghanistan, killing four people, including a local police chief, authorities said.

The bombing occurred about 2 p.m. in the yard of a mosque in Ghazi Abad district of Kunar province after Friday prayers, said Gen. Ewaz Mohammad Naziri, the provincial police chief.

Naziri said the district police chief, his body guard, a civilian and an employee of the Afghan intelligence service died in the attack. Five others were wounded in the blast, he said.

"It was a brutal act against Afghan Muslims inside a mosque," he said. "They had gathered for prayers and he entered and blew himself up." www.beloitdailynews.com/news/world/afghan-police-suicide-bombing-kills-people/article_abb97001-5538-55df-be63-0311706bd3c3.html

A plan to build an Islamic community center in the middle-Tennessee town of Murfreesboro sparked an eruption of ugly criticism on Thursday from some residents who don't want a mosque built in their backyard.

More than 600 people turned out for a meeting of the Rutherford County Commission Thursday night, with some sharing their opposition in public comments that at times turned intolerant.

"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, the pastor of World Outreach Church, said at the meeting. abcnews.go.com/WN/murfreesboro-tennessee-mosque-plan-draws-criticism-residents/story?id=10956381

Added 12-13-11

news.yahoo.com/backlash-lowes-ads-pulled-muslim-show-091701562.html
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lowe's Home Improvement has found itself facing a backlash after the retail giant pulled ads from a reality show about American Muslims.
The retail giant stopped advertising on TLC's "All-American Muslim" after a conservative group known as the Florida Family Association complained, saying the program was "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
The show premiered last month and chronicles the lives of five families from Dearborn, Mich., a Detroit suburb with a large Muslim and Arab-American population. <snip>
news.yahoo.com/backlash-lowes-ads-pulled-muslim-show-091701562.html

Better?

The first article was about a secular backlash toward Islam, not one by a Christian organization. The second was a muslim on muslim suicide bombing in Afghanistan, connected in no way to Christians. The third was one Christian church objecting to a mosque. I'll give you that one. The last is another secular organization. Out of all of this I'm not seeing a pattern of many Christian organizations being worried about Islam.

Feel free to keep looking.

[duke]

JIT Posted:"The first article was about a secular backlash toward Islam, not one by a Christian organization."
Pure BS. No single Christian Organization was listed, but the the backlash was most definitely Christian in basis allying with secular interests in the same context as the fight against homosexual marriage.

While Lowes is a secular operation, the backlash was Christian in backing.

A lot of the opposition to Obama both before and after election has been statements that Obama is a Muslim rather than a Christian. Facts never stand in the way of such opposition.

[duke]

JIT: In light of the following are you still confident that the GA bill will not pass?

Texas approves Jesus license plate
How’d your Beamer look with this baby on the back?

According to the Los Angeles Times, these clearly unconstitutional license plates, called “Calvary Hill,” were just approved by the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Texas governor (and presidential candidate) Rick Perry refused to comment, which is a tacit endorsement given his opposition earlier this year to a Confederate-flag plate proposed by the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
It’s even more unconstitutional than just the picture and motto, for the money goes to baby Jesus:
Motorists who choose to buy the plate pay a surcharge, which is divided between the state and the sponsoring group — in the case of Calvary Hill, a Christian-based youth anti-gang ministry in the east Texas city of Nacogdoches.
And this would be funny if it weren’t so sadly typical of Dysfunctional America: <snip>

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[duke]

Under pressure from the right-wing group the Florida Family Association, the hardware store Lowe's pulled its ads from the TLC show All-American Muslim, which follows the lives of several Muslim families in Dearborn, Michigan. In a rather flimsy apology, Lowe's said that "individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic" and "we've managed to make some people very unhappy."

tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/right_wing_rallies_around_lowes_for_not_giving_in.php