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Post by osrb on Feb 28, 2012 12:41:51 GMT -5
The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges. The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention. The proposed increases in health care payments by service members, which must be approved by Congress, are part of the Pentagon’s $487 billion cut in spending. It seeks to save $1.8 billion from the Tricare medical system in the fiscal 2013 budget, and $12.9 billion by 2017. Obama to cut healthcare benefits for US military**************************************************** How about we cut his healthcare? That would be more fair. He can afford to pay his own way. This just goes to show how little he thinks of military personnel. People in the military already get low pay and he just wants to lower it. |
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 15:53:35 GMT -5
Don't take a job in the military..easy enough we got to stop socialism
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 28, 2012 16:02:07 GMT -5
True, but I understand we have to slash spending all over if we're going to balance our budget and all. Austerity, it's what's for dinner, and last I noticed OSRB, something you're all for up and until it's military spending.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Feb 28, 2012 18:43:45 GMT -5
Last time I checked, soldiers, sailors, and airmen are citizens, too.
If he were doing this to the "general" population (that's a pun, there) you'd be out with pitchforks and torches.
Maybe these cuts will curtail REPRODUCTIVE services, too.
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 28, 2012 19:00:56 GMT -5
Yes, they ARE citizens too. Now they get closer to the social healthcare available to the average citizen.
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Post by ssmynkint on Feb 28, 2012 19:44:47 GMT -5
Instead of the socialized medicine provided by the military. REAL socialist medicine that, not whimpy old Obamacare
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 20:29:50 GMT -5
Let's hope Sanitorum will rub one off on that one. Is a spilled seed abortion?
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Post by ssmynkint on Feb 28, 2012 21:08:51 GMT -5
Damn close. Any non-reproductive expenditure of sperm is/was considered an affront to god.
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 28, 2012 21:36:34 GMT -5
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Post by JC on Feb 28, 2012 21:42:30 GMT -5
Damn close. Any non-reproductive expenditure of sperm is/was considered an affront to god. Is that why it burns? |
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Post by osrb on Feb 28, 2012 21:51:37 GMT -5
True, but I understand we have to slash spending all over if we're going to balance our budget and all. Austerity, it's what's for dinner, and last I noticed OSRB, something you're all for up and until it's military spending. This is not military spending it is earned benefits. Unlike most on the government system these people have earned what they get. Let's see unions start making there people pay more and get less. |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Feb 28, 2012 22:21:21 GMT -5
True, but I understand we have to slash spending all over if we're going to balance our budget and all. Austerity, it's what's for dinner, and last I noticed OSRB, something you're all for up and until it's military spending. This is not military spending it is earned benefits. Unlike most on the government system these people have earned what they get. Let's see unions start making there people pay more and get less. Decaffeinated teapartiers never THINK anybody can EARN a benefit if they're military |
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 22:53:20 GMT -5
Kodak is doing the samething to their employees and retirees as we speak. Where's the outrage. GOPers always say run the Country like a business. Careful what you wish for kiddies..
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Post by osrb on Feb 29, 2012 12:50:48 GMT -5
Kodak is doing the samething to their employees and retirees as we speak. Where's the outrage. GOPers always say run the Country like a business. Careful what you wish for kiddies.. How about cutting benefits to those that have never earned a thing. |
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 29, 2012 13:10:09 GMT -5
So, mostly cut out anything for children and the disabled?
Oh wait, I know... you want to cut out food stamps which demonstrably put more back into economic growth than is spent on them?
Or, those recently unemployed that are on unemployment while looking for work?
Oh wait, it's the old canard that anyone getting any gov't assistance is a lazy layabout like my neighbor Alan perhaps? Yeah, he's disabled and on government assistance to support his wife and child. Since he's not working, maybe he should have his benefits removed? Would that satisfy?
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Feb 29, 2012 15:24:27 GMT -5
The majority on government benefits are NOT disabled in any way. In fact, many drawing unemployment benefits have quit looking for employment because the benefits are so good. Adjustment is needed all around.
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 29, 2012 15:35:02 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more.
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 29, 2012 15:38:13 GMT -5
I agree. Disabled, Seniors, and children...Welfare to work and some rehabbing where you can with disabled getting them into the workforce when applicable.
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 29, 2012 16:06:12 GMT -5
Hon, if I were forced to take unemployment I'd be THRILLED to get back off it. Half my current income doesn't sound "that good" to me, how about you?
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Post by osrb on Mar 1, 2012 13:38:56 GMT -5
Hon, if I were forced to take unemployment I'd be THRILLED to get back off it. Half my current income doesn't sound "that good" to me, how about you? The ONLY reason for that is that you have a work ethic. Many people do not, they think that someone else should pay for them. They think that unemployment, welfare and other government programs are rights that they are entitled to. |
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 1, 2012 14:02:12 GMT -5
No hon, the only reason it's being put on the chopping block is because more people have NEEDED it recently, and hence the cost went up. The time to remove that is not when jobs are thin on the ground, and crowing "they should work more and harder" while also claiming that if work conditions suck they should go elsewhere is the solution if your looking to create a poorer work-force and a 3rd world country.
In short though, I think the reason you (OSRB) have an issue with cutting funds for healthcare to US military is because it directly affects YOU as a Veteran. You have your socialized medical option available already and you don't want THAT to go away or be downsized. I get it. You feel you've earned it by taking a paycheck from Uncle Sam for a while. I say if YOU earned THAT, then if I need SSI after paying into that system since I was 14 or social security, well I EARNED that too. Both your medical and my SS are being labeled "entitlement" programs despite the work we've put into them. They are nice, convenient places to either rob or cheat or cut the budget, however you look at it, but if you're going to say we should cut food stamps or health care or SS or anything else, then you have to be willing to cut military benefits as well.
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Post by osrb on Mar 1, 2012 17:18:57 GMT -5
Not exactly WK. The only things that I can have the VA pay for is my knees since I damaged them while serving. All others are charged to my insurance and I pay a copay. People who serve 20+ years or who were wounded get more. If I was destitute then they will cover with no charge but I would have to show proof that I was too poor.
The times in this country when there were time limits on "entitlements" many more private jobs were created. When people are left with no choice but to work or starve they for the most part will find a way. Either by taking lower paying jobs or starting their own business. It has happend many times in the past why can it not work today?
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Post by el Gusano on Mar 1, 2012 21:44:48 GMT -5
And yet, there are "help wanted" signs all over the place.
People don't want to work. Kitty, you know that many people, given the opportunity, would live forever on subsistence pay, rather than work.
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 1, 2012 21:52:48 GMT -5
Sure. Right. Most people prefer making a lower wage, that's why they compete for those low-paying jobs.
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Post by Half-Tard on Mar 2, 2012 1:36:25 GMT -5
That's correct MANY people not everyone in a bad situation, them's the ones we need to give a hand up too. Don't damn the whole crowd. Broad brush politics don't work with this issue. And the people who aren't the "many" are the ones who have paid into the help they're asking for.
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 2, 2012 6:48:34 GMT -5
Define "many."
Give some real numbers. Sources would help proving that these programs are used by folks happy to just sit on them. I suspect that much like most of the other programs, the "many" is a rather small percentage.
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Post by osrb on Mar 2, 2012 8:09:36 GMT -5
Define "many." Give some real numbers. Sources would help proving that these programs are used by folks happy to just sit on them. I suspect that much like most of the other programs, the "many" is a rather small percentage. We see many sitting on their asses in the OWS movement. They want to government hand out free stuff and not have to earn anything, They rather sit on their asses and complain instead of getting jobs. |
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 2, 2012 9:26:40 GMT -5
Most of the people in the OWS are employed. I know several people who joined here and in Nashville, all with jobs, all going to the site during off hours. Do not ASSume that protestors are homeless or jobless just because they are THERE. Some took vacation time to camp out for a week or two.
Again, give some real numbers. Sources would be good too.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Mar 2, 2012 10:28:03 GMT -5
That works both ways----what sources/numbers do you have to support the position that most receiving unemployment want to work?
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Post by Warkitty on Mar 2, 2012 10:56:00 GMT -5
In other words, you don't have any sources or numbers to back the claim and just want to stall.
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