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Post by CMF Newsman on Feb 27, 2012 13:14:58 GMT -5
President Obama focused his remarks to the nation's governors today on education, urging chief executives of both parties to invest more in education. "The countries that out-educate us today will out-compete us tomorrow," Obama said during a White House meeting of the National Governors Association, protesting the fact that most states have cut education budgets in these tough economic times. "If we want America to be No. 1, and stay No. 1, we've got some work to do," Obama said. In particular, Obama urged the governors to "get more teachers in classrooms," and to assist higher education. content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/02/obama-to-governors-spend-more-on-education/1#.T0vHPdUbXTo |
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Post by gridbug on Feb 27, 2012 13:32:56 GMT -5
Spend more on education? What a snob!
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Post by ssmynkint on Feb 27, 2012 14:05:25 GMT -5
Socialist!
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 27, 2012 16:35:20 GMT -5
I wonder why we spend more per student on education than places like Japan, yet they outperform our students?
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 27, 2012 16:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by ssmynkint on Feb 27, 2012 17:33:31 GMT -5
Curriculum, teaching methodology etc. determined at national level.
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Post by osrb on Feb 27, 2012 23:41:54 GMT -5
More money does NOT equal better education. Better teachers and schools do. Just look how much charter schools spend per student and get better results.
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 0:09:02 GMT -5
More money does NOT equal better education. Better teachers and schools do. Just look how much charter schools spend per student and get better results. Link? |
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Post by osrb on Feb 28, 2012 8:20:54 GMT -5
If money was the answer then DC would have the best education in the US. They spend $24,600 per student per year. Where is the money going. Oh yea it goes to Union fat cats. Stupid in AmericaCharters vs. public schools: Behind the numbersPublic schools cost much more then the numbers show. By NOT preparing children for the real world they are really costing the children's future. Only a brain dead moron would think that money is the answer. Oh wait we have a brain dead moron as prez. |
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Post by JC on Feb 28, 2012 11:52:21 GMT -5
What do you think the better teachers want? Angle dust and hugs?
It makes me giggle when folks say that a livable salary is not the key to good teachers.
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Post by osrb on Feb 28, 2012 12:49:57 GMT -5
How about teachers who can teach not just fill a seat.
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Post by gridbug on Feb 28, 2012 12:59:05 GMT -5
And how, pray tell, do you figure we can get better teachers while paying less?
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 14:37:10 GMT -5
So all public teachers can't teach, just private and charter schools teachers can. But the broad brush down son.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 28, 2012 14:48:24 GMT -5
It has more to do with curriculum and directives than individual teachers.
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Post by osrb on Feb 28, 2012 15:10:14 GMT -5
It has more to do with curriculum and directives than individual teachers. B.S. |
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 28, 2012 15:40:50 GMT -5
How is that BS?
What, you think the curriculum has no affect? Figure teaching creation theory over evolution is gonna foment excellent biologists, eh?
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 15:49:46 GMT -5
Like all your neo-con posts don't you have a uterus to protect or prayer service to lead?  |
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 28, 2012 16:04:33 GMT -5
Hour for hour, teachers are some of the highest paid employees in the USA.
But, in the public schools, the good teachers aren't permitted to teach, and the bad teachers are protected by the unions. That's why private and charter schools not only cost less per student, but put out a better quality of product.
And since natural evolution cannot be backed up by science, why is it promoted over anything else? Oh, that's right, the state sponsored religion of Secular Humanism. More and more biologists, particularly of the geneticist bent, are saying that the odds against it happening naturally are so phenomenally out of the realm of possibility, that it's impossible. And not all of them believe in the God of the Bible. (Although, after becoming geneticists, many of them do become believers. The same with cosmologists and other scientists, particularly after they discover that the Bible teaches that the universe is 16.4 billion years old and talks about the different stages of geology.)
The only way they can rationalize it without outside influence is the multiple universe theory, which is a valid argument, although just as unprovable as the God of the Bible.
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 16:41:26 GMT -5
MORE BULLSHIT FROM THE MASTER OF BULLSHIT
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 28, 2012 16:51:39 GMT -5
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 28, 2012 17:16:11 GMT -5
Because nothing else can be examined through science based inquiry. The problem isn't in teaching natural evolution, the problem is in not being able to say, "We don't know yet." Natural selection is still a good explanation for much of the development of the species that we see but it obviously isn't the only force at work in evolution, we just haven't come up with an explanation that can be tested properly for what else is at play.
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Post by Half-Tard on Feb 28, 2012 17:53:45 GMT -5
Break it down to pay by the hour, that's why it's bullshit
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Post by Tsavodiner on Feb 28, 2012 18:45:25 GMT -5
How is that BS? What, you think the curriculum has no affect? Figure teaching creation theory over evolution is gonna foment excellent biologists, eh? No, but they'll probably concentrate on grammar and spelling.... |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Feb 28, 2012 18:47:37 GMT -5
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just trying to fit in with the theme of the crowd, my best jean valjean act
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Post by ssmynkint on Feb 28, 2012 19:45:43 GMT -5
Oh, for a loaf of bread!
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Post by TNBear on Feb 28, 2012 20:33:35 GMT -5
A jug of wine and thou-no! not you Mynkint.
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Post by JC on Feb 28, 2012 20:53:32 GMT -5
That's incorrect. A teacher with a BA will not receive 43k until 14 years of service. With an MA, a teacher needs 9 years to surpass that. www.teateachers.org/hamilton-county-salary-schedule-2008-2009To be fair, you need to compare that salary with those of the same education level. Men age 25+ with a BA earn 50,916 Men age 25+ with an MA earn 61,698 www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/income.htmlAnd the big kicker here.... those with BA in other fields do not have to put a third or half (or more sometimes) of their salaries back into their jobs. Tell ya what, fellas. You show me a teacher that makes too much money and I'll show you a cop that makes too much money. They do make around the same amount, yanno.  |
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Post by ssmynkint on Feb 28, 2012 21:10:12 GMT -5
Yahoo!
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 28, 2012 21:10:32 GMT -5
I gave median salaries for the entire US which I felt were appropriate for the discussion. When the median salary for teachers is close to twice that of the median salary of all Americans I think its fair to say that teachers are among the higher paid people in this country.
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Post by JC on Feb 28, 2012 21:29:32 GMT -5
JT,
1) You provided a number from a job website. I provided a source that specifically lists salaries, education levels and years of service. If your numbers are correct, there is no data listed that shows any of these things. Who's to say that the average employment span of a teacher is 25+ years. Is it fair, or considered a good wage, for someone to make 20+k a year less then others with the same level of education... after 25+ years of service?
2) You are comparing the average teacher salary with the average American worker salary (is the guy that made my Big Mac tonight included in that< because I don't think he went to college).
See my link above for the average comparable salary of those with further education and like degrees.
3) How much do teachers actually take home?
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