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Post by CMF Newsman on Mar 29, 2012 9:02:22 GMT -5
A measure that would require "family life education" curricula taught in schools to be abstinence-centered is advancing in the Senate. The measure sponsored by Republican Sen. Jack Johnson of Franklin unanimously passed the Senate Education Committee 9-0 on Wednesday night. The companion bill is scheduled to be heard in the House Education Committee next Tuesday. The legislation has become an alternative to a proposal that seeks to ban the teaching of gay issues to elementary and middle school students. Johnson's legislation would allow the teaching of safe sex, but the curriculum would have to be "abstinence-centered," emphasizing that abstinence is withholding from "any kind of sexual contact." www.wrcbtv.com/story/17283242/abstinence-centered-bill-advancing-in-senate |
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Post by ssmynkint on Mar 29, 2012 9:26:22 GMT -5
Let's see: Then there's the 10 Commandments Bill, the evolution criticism bill, the don't say/teach gay bill, the saggy pants bill, and the pray/witnessing at school events bill.
The Republicans are clearly trying to legislate morality based on their religious views. Not only an attempt to side-step the separation of church/state, not only representing the tyranny of the majority, but also social engineering.
How bogus their complaints about the Democrats social agendas are.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Mar 29, 2012 10:03:38 GMT -5
I have a problem with government legislating abstinance.
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Post by gridbug on Mar 29, 2012 11:26:18 GMT -5
I have a problem with government legislating abstinance. Somehow I doubt such a bill will interfere with politicians screwing the people |
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Post by osrb on Mar 29, 2012 13:31:13 GMT -5
Sissy it was Memphis Democratic Rep. Joe Towns that wrote the saggy pants bill. He has been trying for some time to get this passed.
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Post by Half-Tard on Mar 29, 2012 15:08:02 GMT -5
Again this will create how many jobs? They swept the elections on promises of job. Go to hell republicants go to hell hope they all die of full blown HIV along with Littledick
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Mar 30, 2012 10:02:43 GMT -5
Have you not seen the announcements of all the new jobs coming to Tennessee? Or are your party blinders still firmly in place?
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Post by wheels on Mar 30, 2012 14:59:26 GMT -5
Let's see: Then there's the 10 Commandments Bill, the evolution criticism bill, the don't say/teach gay bill, the saggy pants bill, and the pray/witnessing at school events bill. The Republicans are clearly trying to legislate morality based on their religious views. Not only an attempt to side-step the separation of church/state, not only representing the tyranny of the majority, but also social engineering. How bogus their complaints about the Democrats social agendas are. in your opinion, what should be the focus of sex education? |
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Post by wheels on Mar 30, 2012 15:00:33 GMT -5
I have a problem with government legislating abstinance. you mean legislating abstinence education? b/c no one is legislating abstinence. |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Mar 30, 2012 15:10:26 GMT -5
Let's see: Then there's the 10 Commandments Bill, the evolution criticism bill, the don't say/teach gay bill, the saggy pants bill, and the pray/witnessing at school events bill. The Republicans are clearly trying to legislate morality based on their religious views. Not only an attempt to side-step the separation of church/state, not only representing the tyranny of the majority, but also social engineering. How bogus their complaints about the Democrats social agendas are. in your opinion, what should be the focus of sex education? And it should be a full education which would include the proper use of birth control methods. Abstinence should be stressed but instruction in the use of condoms and other methods of birth control should not be avoided, they should be fully explained along with all the pros and cons of each method. See, I don't believe that educating someone in a subject is the same as promoting. Power comes from education, not from ignorance. I believe young adults fully educated in sex and birth control will be more likely to practice abstinence than those kept ignorant. |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Mar 30, 2012 15:11:55 GMT -5
I have a problem with government legislating abstinance. you mean legislating abstinence education? b/c no one is legislating abstinence. I mean what I wrote and I won't take it back. Whether someone is wanting to legislate abstinence or not does not change the fact that I have a problem with those that would. |
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Post by wheels on Mar 30, 2012 15:17:33 GMT -5
in your opinion, what should be the focus of sex education? And it should be a full education which would include the proper use of birth control methods. Abstinence should be stressed but instruction in the use of condoms and other methods of birth control should not be avoided, they should be fully explained along with all the pros and cons of each method. this bill doesn't seem to prohibit the teaching of safe sex, so what's the problem? |
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Post by wheels on Mar 30, 2012 15:18:26 GMT -5
you mean legislating abstinence education? b/c no one is legislating abstinence. I mean what I wrote and I won't take it back. Whether someone is wanting to legislate abstinence or not does not change the fact that I have a problem with those that would. i don't see how that's relevant to this thread, but ok. |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Mar 30, 2012 16:39:42 GMT -5
Again this will create how many jobs? They swept the elections on promises of job. Go to hell republicants go to hell hope they all die of full blown HIV along with Littledick Ah, the love-mating call of the Left in full bloom....  |
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Post by Tsavodiner on Mar 30, 2012 16:42:26 GMT -5
I have a problem with government legislating abstinance. Me too, but the culture-generators in Hollywood and New York have "freedom of speech" on their side in their ENORMOUS advantage in marketing immorality to the children of America, so on measure I believe this and other similarly-styled laws are too little, too late in any event. |
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Post by TNBear on Mar 30, 2012 18:03:39 GMT -5
I believe abstinance is a great idea for young'ns until they gain some maturity and can fully understand the consequences of sexual activity of any kind. However, it AIN"T gonna happen.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Mar 30, 2012 21:01:30 GMT -5
Sex! And it should be a full education which would include the proper use of birth control methods. Abstinence should be stressed but instruction in the use of condoms and other methods of birth control should not be avoided, they should be fully explained along with all the pros and cons of each method. this bill doesn't seem to prohibit the teaching of safe sex, so what's the problem? Did I say I had a problem with the bill? The fact is that I don't know a thing about the bill other than its focus is on abstinence and it will allow for the teaching of safe sex. That's all the article tells us about the bill. But since I wouldn't expect any sex education bill going through any state legislature to not be abstinence based and in this day and age I would also expect even the most conservative of Bible Belt states to "allow" for the teaching of safe sex I don't really see much about this bill that is newsworthy. I taught my sons about birth control and answered their questions about sex as frankly as I could. I didn't leave it up to the schools. I stressed the importance of abstinence but I also bought them a box of condoms. I didn't leave that to the schools to teach them or to the schools to supply them with condoms. I know not every parent will do the same so I encourage the schools to teach the kids what they need to know. I still don't see this bill doing anything extraordinary. |
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Post by ssmynkint on Mar 31, 2012 10:50:05 GMT -5
Parents taking responsibility to educate their children in issues of conduct and morality. I see no legitimate reason for sex-ed to be taught in schools. Ditto hygiene.
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Post by TNBear on Mar 31, 2012 21:04:04 GMT -5
Ditto religion except in parochial schools.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 1, 2012 6:31:40 GMT -5
Absof...inloutely!
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 1, 2012 8:13:29 GMT -5
I agree fully with you on religious indoctrination of any kind in public schools but if you ignore religion in schools you are going to do a piss poor job teaching any of the humanities. History, art, music and literature can't be taught without mentioning religion.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 1, 2012 9:01:47 GMT -5
"religious education" is always at risk-or beyond it- of being indoctrination/promotion.
Completely different from citing religions-including a cursory overview of belief- in humanities
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 1, 2012 12:10:18 GMT -5
"religious education" is always at risk-or beyond it- of being indoctrination/promotion. Completely different from citing religions-including a cursory overview of belief- in humanities Maybe, but over and over there has been examples of teachers or administrators balking at any mention of religion in classes. |
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 1, 2012 12:30:42 GMT -5
Maybe, although history and sociology can't be taught w/o reference to religion. But "balking" is far better then the morning, taecher read "devotionals" I was subjected to.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 1, 2012 12:53:18 GMT -5
Neither can art, music or literature. I also believe that you can't teach scientific achievements without including how religion played a part in both restricting and advancing those achievements.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 1, 2012 20:00:59 GMT -5
So what's the disagreement?
Religion as an aspect/influence; O.K.
Religion as a subject: no.
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Post by wheels on Apr 2, 2012 12:05:05 GMT -5
Parents taking responsibility to educate their children in issues of conduct and morality. I see no legitimate reason for sex-ed to be taught in schools. Ditto hygiene. i'm glad we've finally found something on which we can agree. |
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 2, 2012 14:33:00 GMT -5
There's a film strip for that.
ETA: About 3 seconds after posting that, I remembered these:
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Post by JC on Apr 2, 2012 18:21:02 GMT -5
Vote pro-rubber!
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Post by Half-Tard on Apr 2, 2012 18:27:13 GMT -5
vote anti vagina
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