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Post by JC on Apr 26, 2012 13:22:40 GMT -5
During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old. But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting. Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America. www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425 |
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Post by Police Moderator on Apr 26, 2012 16:47:52 GMT -5
Thanks for that post, JC.
Interesting read.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 26, 2012 21:57:45 GMT -5
There's his problem: He actually targeted the right group, so he must pay.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 27, 2012 7:48:44 GMT -5
No, he targeted a suspicious individual, perhaps accurately.
Just another example of your race-baiting, and using a good Catholic boy with a "Jewish" name as your bait.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 27, 2012 12:21:41 GMT -5
"Just another example of your race-baiting, and using a good Catholic boy with a "Jewish" name as your bait."
Anybody else see the irony in this sentence?
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 27, 2012 13:30:33 GMT -5
Catch up, LR. The reference was to one of eG's previous posts.
Ironic, isn't it?
Not that you offer a coherent point of view.
Oh. More irony.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 27, 2012 16:32:20 GMT -5
PC response to young black men committing a robbery spree: Don't even look at black people, you racist pig!
When I lived in DC, I had a friend who was a MD state trooper who happened to be black. He had the highest arrest rate. Know why? Because he could racially profile young black men.
But Zimmerman (the Latino Jew with a Catholic background is not minority enough) made the mistake of watching a suspicious person.
In other news, TSA must equally target little white grannies, children, etc., as they cannot actually profile those who are guilty.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 27, 2012 16:41:46 GMT -5
Pure fabrication, el Goebbels.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 28, 2012 0:56:19 GMT -5
Fabricated by his parents, apparently.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 28, 2012 8:09:27 GMT -5
Neither of whom are Jewish. And George jr has never been.
Are you truly that profoundly ignorant of the facts or is this just another example of making things up to propagandize your rightist prejudices?
In the latter case, you're a malevolent fabricator.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 28, 2012 10:58:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he was assembled by his parents. Most kids are.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 28, 2012 11:38:31 GMT -5
Sorry you have such a reading comprehension problem. NEITHER OF HIS PARENTS ARE JEWISH AND HE WAS NOT RAISED JEWISH NOR DID HE CONVERT. he is not, therefore, "...the Latino Jew" or any other kind of Jew.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 28, 2012 15:25:06 GMT -5
"Not that you offer a coherent point of view."
If you mean a name-calling, leftist, angry-at-the-world point of view, you are correct in your assessment, as feeble as it is.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Apr 28, 2012 15:36:18 GMT -5
Tsavostein says he's a "perfected" Jew, just like me
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 28, 2012 16:13:17 GMT -5
The really perfected Jews were made into soap.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 28, 2012 16:30:24 GMT -5
Ah, LR. You project so much you could have had a career in a movie theater.
But please, if I'm in error, remind me of the last time you presented a point of view that wasn't based on name calling, attacks and denigration.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 29, 2012 1:14:39 GMT -5
Isaac Asimov was a Jew in name only, but that doesn't mean he wasn't Jewish. Zimmerman.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 29, 2012 10:22:26 GMT -5
Wrong.
And George Zimmerman jr. has no connection at all with Judaism, except in your ideation.
Too bad you aren't man enough or have enough intellectual honesty to realize and acknowledge that you are wrong.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Apr 29, 2012 11:22:37 GMT -5
Whether he's Jewish or has Jewish ancestors or isn't or doesn't, I don't see where any of that has any bearing on this story.
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 29, 2012 11:55:35 GMT -5
It has bearing on the veracity of argument.
The erroneous notion of Zimmerman being a Jew, a completely superfluous point, was introduced for suspect reason, apparently to make points about ethnicity and minorities when the "story" was about the legality/defensibility of a shooting death and the two all too humans involved in it.
To claim Zimmerman is a "Latino Jew," as el Gusano did in a related thread, is a pure fabrication and demonstrates confounded (at best) argumentation, to wit: Issac Asimov was a Jew, although an avowed atheist, because of his name; therefore Zimmerman is a Jew because some Jews are named Zimmerman.
Asimov's parents were Jews, he attended Hebrew school and was proud of and identified with his Jewish heritage; a model of a secular Jew and fully identifiable by American Jewish congregations and Israeli law as being a Jew.
Neither of Zimmerman's parents are Jewish, and he has no exposure to nor identification with the religion. He does not consider himself a Jew, nor would he be accepted as such by American congregations or Israel.
It seems to me that the accuracy and legitimacy of an argument is important; certainly that is the case in formal debate and the law. To invent a "fact" should be beyond the pale and should be exposed as the fabrication that it is.
The motive for such a fabrication is another matter.
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 30, 2012 0:14:57 GMT -5
And that's my point about Asimov. He is descended from ethnic Jews, but is not Jewish in the religious sense.
Like Zimmerman.
He's just the wrong minority(ies). IOW, he's not the young black thug who was attacking someone.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Apr 30, 2012 15:25:21 GMT -5
"But please, if I'm in error, remind me of the last time you presented a point of view that wasn't based on name calling, attacks and denigration."
You are in error. You will not find ANY argument/debate from me that is "based on name calling, attacks and denigration."
I've had more debate posts than you have had ANY posts, so how do you figure you "know" my posting history, mr johnny-come-lately?
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Post by ssmynkint on Apr 30, 2012 20:02:00 GMT -5
horse feathers.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on May 1, 2012 14:17:42 GMT -5
"horse feathers."
Find one example. Just one. If you can't, shut up.
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Post by ssmynkint on May 1, 2012 15:57:08 GMT -5
Provide one.
Shut up? No free speech? No tolerance for difference of opinion?
Your every response proves my point.
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Post by Conservator on May 2, 2012 9:21:52 GMT -5
I've been super busy lately, and really never got the full story on this case when it was big in the news... Seems like all I heard about was the fall out and uproar and never heard much about the details. But there's a few things I've pulled from this article and a couple others that I've read. If his name was Gonzalez or maybe had a little darker shade of skin, we probably wouldn't even be discussing this story. With a last name like Zimmerman, it may have made the headline/story sound more controversial... Just saying...
On a separate note, if a neighbor of mine assigned or in charge of neighborhood watch puts his life on the line to protect me or my neighborhood, I consider that man a hero. If at any point during the struggle, he thought his life was in danger, I don't find much fault in pulling out his gun. I'd like to know how that struggle started and if at any point Martin was given a chance to stand down once the gun was pulled, or did it all go down in a scuffle on the ground...?
The media's poor handling of this may be the biggest story out of it all...
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Post by staffsgtsbunny on May 3, 2012 7:58:32 GMT -5
I am looking forward to reading this article. While Dave was in Iraq I learned to hate the media.....I simply do not make any decisions until I have the complete story from all sides....
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Post by LimitedRecourse on May 3, 2012 15:24:30 GMT -5
"Shut up? No free speech? No tolerance for difference of opinion?
Your every response proves my point."
That's all you got, huh? Pitiful.
Smoeone once posted: "It seems to me that the accuracy and legitimacy of an argument is important; certainly that is the case in formal debate and the law. To invent a "fact" should be beyond the pale and should be exposed as the fabrication that it is. The motive for such a fabrication is another matter."
Too bad THAT person doesn't live up to their own convictions.
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Post by ssmynkint on May 3, 2012 17:22:50 GMT -5
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