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Post by Conservator on Aug 8, 2012 10:47:17 GMT -5
What happened to this forum?? (crickets chirping)Well, Romney is probably going to choose his VP candidate in the next week or two... Anyone care? Anyone think Palin should have been on the poll
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Post by Justin Thyme on Aug 8, 2012 11:18:36 GMT -5
Personally, the longer this election cycle runs the less I care about it. If the choice has to be between Romney and Obama I just don't care who wins. To me this isn't a choice of the lesser of two evils with those two, they are equal. I don't see how any VP choice could make me feel more comfortable about Romney.... unless he also promises to commit suicide the day after the inauguration.
I just reread the list and even a promise of suicide after the inauguration doesn't make me feel any better about the picks listed.
Beside, other than in the death or resignation of the president when was the last time it mattered who was chosen as VP?
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 8, 2012 11:59:30 GMT -5
I voted Rice because I believe she would give him his best chance of a VP boost. I know she doesn't want it, so I believe he'll actually choose Paul Ryan. He's already endorsed Ryans' "Fuck the poor" budget, so why not?
Agree with JiT, another election with no good electable candidates. They won't even discuss real issues. Special interest money has destroyed our democracy. Both sides say what they are payed to say.
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Post by Conservator on Aug 8, 2012 14:45:32 GMT -5
Well JT, some would say McCain's choice of VP "mattered" last election... But I will agree, that who he probably picks will be a safe pick or no effect. Hence the poll asking who he 'should' pick. Plus this forum might as well shut down if we don't get more action - so I'm doing my part to spur some participation.
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Post by Conservator on Aug 8, 2012 14:55:48 GMT -5
Seems like every time I hear Rubio speak, I like what he has to say. Plus he might help with both FL & the latino vote... But he'll probably pick the safest/least controversial pick... which rules out Condy Rice (b/c of her pro-choice stance) - though I agree, she would be a great pick.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Aug 8, 2012 15:17:07 GMT -5
Be careful of people who never say a thing that offends you. And I still wouldn't vote for him because of this choice but I do wish he would pick Rand Paul. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson regardless of VP picks.
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Post by JC on Aug 8, 2012 16:01:33 GMT -5
All the more reason to choose her. Romney doesn't have the best rep with women right now and she would give him those votes.
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Post by Conservator on Aug 8, 2012 20:27:06 GMT -5
All the more reason to choose her. Romney doesn't have the best rep with women right now and she would give him those votes. Good point... not to mention the black vote! She's full breed (no offense blackfox)
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 8, 2012 20:40:00 GMT -5
Whoever accepts is basically falling on their sword. No one with serious future political ambitions will accept this suicide mission.
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Post by Conservator on Aug 8, 2012 20:56:46 GMT -5
What?? I dont' know about that. No pub is bad pub. Whoever gets the tap will get ran through the ringer in the media and will be better off for it 4 years from now (if Obama pulls off the biggest bait n switch ever and gets re-elected) unless some major dirt is dragged out... or he/she says they can see Russia from their backyard. (Ok, so there are exceptions
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Post by Warkitty on Aug 9, 2012 4:58:01 GMT -5
Romney seems like his own liability, to be honest. It occasionally amazes me that the same people who won't accept a certified birth certificate are *just fine* with this chronic liar. There's far more about Mitt I find troubling than the current President, though I find myself rather liking Johnson as well.
Know what would be interesting? If the party they're with wasn't announced till after the elections. I bet we'd see some interesting changes in attitudes if we didn't have a D and an R to tell us whose camp each candidate was in so we'd know who to root for before even hearing what they say.
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 9, 2012 7:42:47 GMT -5
What?? I dont' know about that. No pub is bad pub. Not sure that's true in Presidential politics. Whoever he ends up with will have to campaign on and agree with everything Romney says. That can be quite an albatross 4 years later. I'll have to go look it up, but I wonder if a failed VP pick has ever gone on to win the Presidency under the modern system?
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Post by Conservator on Aug 9, 2012 8:08:59 GMT -5
yeah... I wasn't really thinking of VP candidates, but there's been numerous Pres candidates that lost their party's nomination or lost a Pres election but came back 4 years later to win or be nominated...
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Post by Justin Thyme on Aug 9, 2012 9:02:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by "modern system" but Nixon did.
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 9, 2012 12:24:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by "modern system" but Nixon did. Since FDR.
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Post by frayne56 on Aug 10, 2012 6:42:25 GMT -5
I voted Rice because I believe she would give him his best chance of a VP boost. I know she doesn't want it, so I believe he'll actually choose Paul Ryan. He's already endorsed Ryans' "Fuck the poor" budget, so why not? Agree with JiT, another election with no good electable candidates. They won't even discuss real issues. Special interest money has destroyed our democracy. Both sides say what they are payed to say. +1, only a couple more months of political silly season and then we can watch our elected officials continue to kick the can down the road.
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Post by Conservator on Aug 11, 2012 13:46:12 GMT -5
winner, winner, chicken dinner (from Chick-fil-Aof course)
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Post by Tsavodiner on Aug 12, 2012 6:17:45 GMT -5
I suppose because he couldn't wrap his MIND around Obama's "Fuck the REST of Us" plan
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 12, 2012 7:59:23 GMT -5
I suppose because he couldn't wrap his MIND around Obama's "Fuck the REST of Us" plan What plan would that be specifically?
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Post by Conservator on Aug 12, 2012 16:22:26 GMT -5
Ahhh... is there a realistic plan or budget from the left?
Amittedly I'll have to read up on Ryan's (updated in March) budget plan... but the Dem's had their time and failed us, all of us, with no budget.
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 12, 2012 18:36:47 GMT -5
I agree Conservator that House dems totally failed in not passing a budget. There's no excuse for that, but until the parties learn to work together again, it's going to be like this.
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Post by ssmynkint on Aug 12, 2012 19:02:39 GMT -5
Yeah! Imagine how badly they'd have failed if they had a majority! WooHoo!
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Post by apriled on Aug 12, 2012 19:05:21 GMT -5
Justin, I feel exactly the same about the Presidential election,
"Personally, the longer this election cycle runs the less I care about it. If the choice has to be between Romney and Obama I just don't care who wins.'
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Post by Conservator on Aug 12, 2012 19:55:30 GMT -5
Welcome to a country with a liberally biased main-stream media. You don't think it's a coincidence? If they actually talked issues, Obama would not look good. But instead, we're witnessing an incredibly orchestrated distraction from the real issues... and thus far it's worked. It's been about mud slinging and class warfare... Numbing many independent voters as JT & apriled. Maybe this shift to Ryan and his budget proposal will bring it back to some legit issues.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Aug 12, 2012 22:05:02 GMT -5
Maybe, but I doubt it. My attention is turning back home. I live in the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state in the Union. I need to concentrate on what's important, which is what is happening locally. Maybe in the process I'll shake loose the hold the Republicans have on this county and allow more choices into the process. As it stands I almost have to vote in the Republican primary to have any say in who is elected in the general election. These unopposed races have to come to an end.
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 13, 2012 7:28:53 GMT -5
Yeah! Imagine how badly they'd have failed if they had a majority! WooHoo! I was referring to when they did. They passed their last one in 2009, and passed nothing 2010. The Republican House since then have passed their draconian budget that the Democratic Senate won't even debate. On the budget, I'd say the Dems are losing the argument. The Dems could at least try to make changes to it and send it back to the House. Obama's budgets haven't even got any Democrat support.
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 13, 2012 8:22:46 GMT -5
"I'd rather get 80% of what I want rather than go over the cliff with my flag flying."
-Ronald Reagan
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Aug 13, 2012 9:43:26 GMT -5
I would tend to agree with Conservator & Blackfox on this issue. (Uncontrollable shudder)
Running the country is what elected officials are sent to Washington to do. Bicker about partisan stuff during your campaign, but dropping the ball and not passing a budget for several years in a row is total failure for both sides. Compromise can be win-win for everyone.
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Post by apriled on Aug 14, 2012 9:22:37 GMT -5
Justin, you are so on Target, "Maybe, but I doubt it. My attention is turning back home. I live in the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state in the Union. I need to concentrate on what's important, which is what is happening locally."
The decisions that effect your day to day life are made locally. from education, emergency services, to garbage pick up. Local governments have operated with no oversight for way to long, because they count on no one paying attention. Citizen Watch groups are springing up everywhere to get the facts that our local newspapers, who are way too cozy with government, allow government public information employees to control the content. It is pathetic. Yes, pay attention to local government. The average family pays more in local sales and property taxes than federal taxes. I found another watch group that covers Walker County. www.cityoflafayettega.com/about/
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Post by Bryan Stone on Aug 14, 2012 16:02:49 GMT -5
it has been a remarkably painful & slow death. Just a few gasps left.
it's a shame.
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