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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 9:24:29 GMT -5
To go an entire day without committing one single sin? Can an adult go sinless for 24 hours? Would you have to stay in your house, in a closet all day?
I just can't see how anyone could do it. But I guess then we would need to look at what exactly a sin is.
Can it be a thought process? A doing?
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Post by Gary on Apr 19, 2007 9:28:40 GMT -5
> To go an entire day without committing one single sin?I would say it depends on what you define as sin. My catholic friends tell me that even thinking of sex with someone other than my spouse is sin - if that is the baseline, than I am sinning about every seven seconds. If you define sin based on your own personal morality of right and wrong, than I do believe you go days, even months without committing sin. It's all in the details.
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 9:36:47 GMT -5
> To go an entire day without committing one single sin?I would say it depends on what you define as sin. My catholic friends tell me that even thinking of sex with someone other than my spouse is sin - if that is the baseline, than I am sinning about every seven seconds. If you define sin based on your own personal morality of right and wrong, than I do believe you go days, even months without committing sin. It's all in the details. That's what I thought as well. but I think that it should strictly pertain to the Bible opposed to what one's own morals are. I was raised Baptist and taught that if you think sin, as long as you don't dwell on it, it's not a sin. That, I think is from the Bible. Love your interface BTW. Very user friendly.
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 9:51:59 GMT -5
Interestign question, but without an accompanying definition of "sin" it is tricky to answer.
Interpretations of the bible are hardly consistent, so you can't just say "what the bible says is sin". I do not believe in the bible, to many that in itself is a sin.
I would define sin as hurting others in some way. I can go a long time without sinning using that definition, especially if intent is required.
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Post by Fun Grrl From Mt Pilot on Apr 19, 2007 9:54:18 GMT -5
I am reminded of a shirt a fellow forumite has worn in the past..."Sin like ya mean it"
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Post by Laura Rice on Apr 19, 2007 10:03:24 GMT -5
To go an entire day without committing one single sin? Can an adult go sinless for 24 hours? Would you have to stay in your house, in a closet all day? In my opinion, everyone sins and that is not the issue. The issue is what you do with the sin... Do you live with it and say, "What the Hell?" or do you try to seek forgiveness to rectify the sin that you have committed. I think the right thing is to try to make it right and live your life the way you believe would be honest and forthright according to your morals. I know not everyone's morals are the same but not everyone's opinions are the same either and you should always respect that in others. Laura
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 10:04:50 GMT -5
Interestign question, but without an accompanying definition of "sin" it is tricky to answer. Interpretations of the bible are hardly consistent, so you can't just say "what the bible says is sin". I do not believe in the bible, to many that in itself is a sin. I would define sin as hurting others in some way. I can go a long time without sinning using that definition, especially if intent is required. This may help a little. www.allaboutgod.com/definition-of-sin.htm
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 10:06:36 GMT -5
> In my opinion, everyone sins
If you use this definition then you can't go without sin, that is the definition... IMO this is a really grim view. Pretty much by being human you have messed up already. And I thought I get pessimistic!
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Post by tcrashfx on Apr 19, 2007 10:08:33 GMT -5
My sins happen to be numerous and repetitive......
(Daily, if not hourly)
Thank God, God (I believe in God, BTW) is the forgiving sort.
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 10:08:57 GMT -5
To go an entire day without committing one single sin? Can an adult go sinless for 24 hours? Would you have to stay in your house, in a closet all day? In my opinion, everyone sins and that is not the issue. The issue is what you do with the sin... Do you live with it and say, "What the Hell?" or do you try to seek forgiveness to rectify the sin that you have committed. I think the right thing is to try to make it right and live your life the way you believe would be honest and forthright according to your morals. I know not everyone's morals are the same but not everyone's opinions are the same either and you should always respect that in others. Laura Once again I think that you're suppose to live your life in God's eyes, not your own. You're suppose to live your life according to God's morals. But then again, if you BASE your morals on God...Well there you go.
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 10:11:24 GMT -5
> In my opinion, everyone sins If you use this definition then you can't go without sin, that is the definition... IMO this is a really grim view. Pretty much by being human you have messed up already. And I thought I get pessimistic! See that's what I'm thinking. According to various definitions, we sin non stop. But as another poster pointed out, it's what you do with those sins that SHOULD count or determine if it's a sin or not.
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 10:19:41 GMT -5
If you give me a mulligan on not being christian I can at least do the Commandments. I go most days without lying, killing, stealing, lustful thoughts, wanting other's stuff, etc.
If you mean the six hundred & change mostly in Leviticus, I don't even know what they are.
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Post by Warkitty on Apr 19, 2007 10:44:34 GMT -5
Great conversation, but I think it belongs in the Debate lounge Now, have at!
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 10:57:18 GMT -5
Great conversation, but I think it belongs in the Debate lounge Now, have at! Thank you, it's kind of confsuing with all of the different catagory. I never saw "debate" good idea! Thanks
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Post by el Gusano on Apr 19, 2007 12:49:23 GMT -5
A lot of it depends on whether you're living under the law or under grace.
It can be argued that if you lock yourself in the closet, then you are committing sins of omission.
Committing the sin in your heart (dwelling on it, planning it out, etc.), is the same as actually committing it.
However, if you have your eyes on God, you won't dwell on the sins, and as has been pointed out, God is the forgiving sort.
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Post by Laura Rice on Apr 19, 2007 13:36:07 GMT -5
To go an entire day without committing one single sin? Can an adult go sinless for 24 hours? Would you have to stay in your house, in a closet all day? In my opinion, everyone sins and that is not the issue. The issue is what you do with the sin... Do you live with it and say, "What the Hell?" or do you try to seek forgiveness to rectify the sin that you have committed. I think the right thing is to try to make it right and live your life the way you believe would be honest and forthright according to your morals. I know not everyone's morals are the same but not everyone's opinions are the same either and you should always respect that in others. Laura Once again I think that you're suppose to live your life in God's eyes, not your own. You're suppose to live your life according to God's morals. But then again, if you BASE your morals on God...Well there you go. Yes, you are but it says in the Bible that we are all born into this world with a nature to sin and have fallen short of the glory of God because of the initial sin of Adam and Eve. There is forgiveness for the nature of sin by confession, seeking forgiveness and then earnest repentence. There is a difference in sinning and practicing sin. You just have to know the difference in order to live your life in God's eyes. Does this make sense to you?
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 13:49:58 GMT -5
That just sounds like we are all being blamed for a design flaw. Before you can even speak you are damned by the actions of your ancient ancestors. I can't buy that. I won't ask forgiveness for the actions of others, especially others that I never believed in... So if that makes me a sinner then I may as well practice sin until I get it right Just kidding, but were I to accept the biblical definition of sin, then I may as well sin more because I am NOT about to accept the blame for Adam & Eve. It is a good thing my morals are based in no religion, they are strong enough to stand oin their own.
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Post by Laura Rice on Apr 19, 2007 14:09:39 GMT -5
That just sounds like we are all being blamed for a design flaw. Before you can even speak you are damned by the actions of your ancient ancestors. I can't buy that. I won't ask forgiveness for the actions of others, especially others that I never believed in... So if that makes me a sinner then I may as well practice sin until I get it right Just kidding, but were I to accept the biblical definition of sin, then I may as well sin more because I am NOT about to accept the blame for Adam & Eve. It is a good thing my morals are based in no religion, they are strong enough to stand oin their own. Grid, There is a difference in being born into the nature of sin and the sin you commit itself. You aren't blamed for others' sins, you are only accountable for the sin/sins you commit. A sin nature just means that as you grow up you are going to be proned for temptation. That is our nature. If you are tempted that is the not the sin itself. The sin is when you act upon the temptation instead of walking away from it. As a baby you cannot make decisions or choices for yourself so you are not sinning at that point. When you make that first choice to choose the temptation over walking away then that is a sin. Is that a better explanation of it? Laura Edited for typos because I think faster than I type
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 14:24:36 GMT -5
Again - without a clearer definition of what is a sin it is hard to discuss. Are we talking lustful thoughts or murder?
Of course I'm a goner...
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Post by Laura Rice on Apr 19, 2007 14:36:53 GMT -5
Again - without a clearer definition of what is a sin it is hard to discuss. Are we talking lustful thoughts or murder? Of course I'm a goner... This is from Webster-Miriam Dictionary: Main Entry: 1sin Pronunciation: 'sin Function: noun Etymology: Middle English sinne, from Old English synn; akin to Old High German sunta sin and probably to Latin sont-, sons guilty, est is -- more at IS 1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible <it's a sin to waste food> c : an often serious shortcoming : FAULT 2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 14:43:27 GMT -5
But what the "law of God" or "religious or moral law" means varies widely between cultures and religions. Take for example homosexuality. A lot of people say it is a sin, but how can two people in love be a bad thing? You've got me on 2b - I'm a sinner
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Post by Laura Rice on Apr 19, 2007 14:56:07 GMT -5
But what the "law of God" or "religious or moral law" means varies widely between cultures and religions. Take for example homosexuality. A lot of people say it is a sin, but how can two people in love be a bad thing? You've got me on 2b - I'm a sinner Grid, Sin is an intentional choice you make to do something that you know is wrong. That is my definition... I think other people will have other definitions but that is what I gauge my sin upon. If I do something that I know is wrong and I have done it intentionally then it is a sin, whether it be against God or someone else. Then I deal with it accordingly after that. Laura
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 15:35:26 GMT -5
Again - without a clearer definition of what is a sin it is hard to discuss. Are we talking lustful thoughts or murder? Of course I'm a goner... No sin is greater than the other I would imagine, so it really doesn't matter what the sin is.
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Post by gridbug on Apr 19, 2007 15:39:04 GMT -5
I'll borrow Laura's definition then, because I do not do things I believe are wrong
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 15:48:21 GMT -5
I'll borrow Laura's definition then, because I do not do things I believe are wrong Hey, whatever fits your lifestyle right? You have to be careful of WHO you believe or "borrow" from. The best definition IMO is the Bible.
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Post by Laura Rice on Apr 19, 2007 16:53:52 GMT -5
I'll borrow Laura's definition then, because I do not do things I believe are wrong You can use my definition but don't always use my example because unlike you... I do things I know are wrong and then I regret it later. Been there, done there... Got the T-shirt to match!
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Post by Jay on Apr 19, 2007 17:08:03 GMT -5
People have to be careful w/ their own morality though.... Cuz many people who have done very bad things justify things in their minds and don't believe they are doing bad things.. Others just say they were "following orders" Kind of reminds me of the "Milgram experiment." "The Milgram experiment was a seminal series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience" Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment"Milgram summed things up in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing: The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation. Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]"
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Post by harddrive7 on Apr 19, 2007 17:08:09 GMT -5
I'll borrow Laura's definition then, because I do not do things I believe are wrong You can use my definition but don't always use my example because unlike you... I do things I know are wrong and then I regret it later. Been there, done there... Got the T-shirt to match! Me too. That's my biggest problem. I do things that I know that are wrong. I feel horrible about it, then turn around and do it again. I'm weak, but I pray for strength amongst other things every night. I don't know, I do the best that I can. I just don't EVER feel that it's good enough so that I can be closer to God. To be truthful, I need to grow up. I pray for that too.
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Post by augie47 on Apr 19, 2007 18:10:40 GMT -5
I was doing pretty well at it today, then I noticed Laura's new avitar
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Post by bernardjenkins on Apr 19, 2007 18:12:07 GMT -5
We are imperfect beings. Ask for forgiveness and try to do better. I do not think we start out with sin in our heart but the secular world draws us in.
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