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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 18, 2010 7:59:43 GMT -5
I speak to the concept that apparently exists that animals won't go to heaven. Whether that idea is biblically supported or not means nothing to me. Those that believe it though believe in a pretty unjust god. Unjust?  This is the God that had a temper tantrum and killed n-2 of every species of animal and virtually all the people. No, you don't get kudos for saving just a few when you're the One that killed ALL the others. Death comes to us all. The flood was a quick and sudden death leaving no one to deal with the consequences. If one is to start over again isn't that the just and merciful way to do so? |
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Post by ScarlettP on Feb 18, 2010 8:25:14 GMT -5
So if the Rapture ever comes I'd be more than happy to fill my house up with critters, quit my job, and spoil them all rotten until the end of the world. Which wouldn't be all that long after the Rapture... Everyone in my house would go out smiling and purring and wagging! Sounds like Heaven to me! |
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Post by gridbug on Feb 18, 2010 8:40:13 GMT -5
<<boggle>>
No. Mass slaughter is not "merciful".
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Post by Babs on Feb 18, 2010 11:01:57 GMT -5
My mother tells me that animals are in heaven. That settles that!
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 18, 2010 11:25:51 GMT -5
<<boggle>> No. Mass slaughter is not "merciful". Have you never had to scrap a project you were working on and start again from the start? |
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Post by gridbug on Feb 18, 2010 12:07:34 GMT -5
Sure. but I never blamed the project for my own shoddy work.
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 18, 2010 12:13:48 GMT -5
How is drowning a "quick and sudden" death?
Sounds like a pretty nasty way to die, lungs filling with water after struggling to keep afloat as long as possible, slowly losing energy and sinking... gasping for air only to get the searing pain of water instead, choking that only brings in more water....
No, that doesn't sound quick and merciful to me.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 18, 2010 13:21:22 GMT -5
Sure. but I never blamed the project for my own shoddy work. So you think free will was a mistake? |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 18, 2010 13:23:23 GMT -5
How is drowning a "quick and sudden" death? It takes less than 5 minutes. That's pretty quick and sudden. |
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Post by Jay on Feb 18, 2010 13:56:29 GMT -5
This is the God that had a temper tantrum and killed n-2 of every species of animal and virtually all the people. No, you don't get kudos for saving just a few when you're the One that killed ALL the others. Many Christians believe that the flood wasn't an around the world flood that killed n-2 of every species of animal. Many, like me, believe it was a localized flood. |
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Post by daworm on Feb 18, 2010 14:33:53 GMT -5
The filling of the Mediterranean sea, usually.
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 18, 2010 14:34:24 GMT -5
And since people were localized at the time, all the people, except a few.
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Post by ScarlettP on Feb 19, 2010 6:57:54 GMT -5
As most of the people were localized in the Mediterranean Sea area, the flood took out all the Known world.
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 19, 2010 9:31:41 GMT -5
And the word for "world" that means "entire planet" is not used in the Bible.
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 19, 2010 9:36:56 GMT -5
Probably because the stories were about a tribal god.
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 19, 2010 13:34:59 GMT -5
Not necessarily.
Think about the way we use "world" in English: Look at the world around you, the world of needlecraft, the world believes so-and-so.
Sometimes it refers to your immediate vicinity, sometimes a specific part of the global environment, or sometimes the people.
In the Bible, although there was a word for "the entire planet", it's not used. However, the words for "the land" and the word for "the people" or "governmental entities" are used (and sometimes it's referring to subsets of those groups). The entire planet didn't sin, just the people in it. The people all lived in one geographic area basically. The Hebrew also says the water was about 20 feet deep, not six miles deep as some try to claim. (They try to force specific meanings on words when words with specific meanings were not used, basically.)
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Post by gridbug on Feb 19, 2010 13:39:28 GMT -5
So sayeth the Word of Gus.
I am sure that by the time this flood supposedly happened that people would have spread further than the Mediterranean. Considering that people started out in Africa, I'd think they would have spread south in addition to north.
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 19, 2010 14:32:27 GMT -5
Once again, what are "the people"?
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Post by Warkitty on Feb 19, 2010 14:41:43 GMT -5
In this case, apparently "the people" are the tribal members of the region.
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Post by el Gusano on Feb 19, 2010 16:33:23 GMT -5
Well, grammatically, it could be ALL people or ALL God's people or all people in the known world.
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Post by snarkalicious on Feb 20, 2010 20:24:42 GMT -5
I will accept any chickens, cows, lobsters or salmon after the Rapture-
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Post by Conservator on Feb 20, 2010 22:30:32 GMT -5
The ironic thing about this thread title is that it merges two opposites... the religious, the end is near, "rapture" group with the kind out there, "my pet is my world" type who leaves $ in their will to Fluffy.... Two sides that are rarely in the same boat.
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Post by Bob on Feb 21, 2010 0:01:46 GMT -5
I'm Thinking its 100% marketing
Wish I had thought of it and made Gridbug the admin...
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Post by gridbug on Feb 22, 2010 7:59:21 GMT -5
Would not "The People" be the ones where the story originated? The Jews just stole an old story and changed the reason (the original reason being that people were making too much noise and bothering the Gods). Plagiarizing would not make the Jews "The People" that the story is about. The ironic thing about this thread title is that it merges two opposites... the religious, the end is near, "rapture" group with the kind out there, "my pet is my world" type who leaves $ in their will to Fluffy.... Two sides that are rarely in the same boat. At first I though this was just silly at best and a $5 ticket to see The Great Egress at worst. The more I thought about it the more these belong in the same boat. Religion and especially the Rapture give one hope and comfort. There isn't any particular proof that there will be a Rapture, or for that matter that there really is a Heaven. Believing these things gives some people comfort. That comfort could be diluted if one worries that loose ends will be left behind, like leaving the house to Fluffy but it being nothing more than a big cage to starve in. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 8:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by Justin Thyme on Feb 22, 2010 11:11:35 GMT -5
The flood story in the Old Testament predates the Jews. Noah was not a Jew. The Jews, however, were descendants of Noah. According to the Old Testament story of the flood, we are all descendants of Noah.
Showing that other cultures also have a flood story actually corroborates the OT story of Noah. Each culture is going to have their own speculation as to why there was a flood.
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Post by printemps on Feb 22, 2010 11:56:33 GMT -5
Other theory: As the Ice Age ended and glaciers melted, a wall of seawater surged from the Mediterranean into the Black Sea. About 7,000 years ago the Mediterranean Sea swelled. Seawater pushed northward, slicing through what is now Turkey. • Funneled through the narrow Bosporus, the water hit the Black Sea with 200 times the force of Niagara Falls. Each day the Black Sea rose about six inches (15 centimeters), and coastal farms were flooded. • Seared into the memories of terrified survivors, the tale of the flood was passed down through the generations and eventually became the Noah story. National Geographic / Ballard & The Black Sea |
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Post by gridbug on Feb 22, 2010 12:08:35 GMT -5
All it corroborates is that someone heard a story they considered worth retelling
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Post by snarkalicious on Feb 22, 2010 13:12:00 GMT -5
And don't forget the pastafarian viewpoint-we were touched by His giant noodly appendage
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