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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 14:11:14 GMT -5
(From an email) Campaign to Educate Public about Photo ID Requirement for Voting For Immediate Release from the Tennessee Secretary of State: July 27, 2011 The Tennessee Department of State has launched a campaign to educate citizens about the new photo identification requirement that will go into effect for elections held in the state after Jan. 1, 2012. After that date, people who wish to vote will be required to show photo identification when they arrive at the polls. Accepted forms of identification include any photo ID issued by the State of Tennessee - including drivers’ licenses - and photo IDs issued by other states or the federal government, including U.S. passports, government employee identification cards and military ID cards. The law, a safeguard against voter fraud, allows people who forget to bring photo IDs to the polls to cast provisional ballots and provide their county election officials with proof of identity within two business days after an election. People who vote absentee are not required to show photo IDs. And people who have religious objections to being photographed may sign oaths acknowledging their identities. People who can’t afford other forms of photo identification may get a state-issued ID, free of charge, at drivers’ license offices Hmm. Will my mugshot on Right2know suffice or maybe my avatar? |
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Post by pictureman on Jul 27, 2011 18:09:31 GMT -5
When I reached a "certain age" I was told that I no longer needed my photograph on my Tennessee Driver's License, and to choose to have it would actually cost more. Naturally, I elected to omit the picture.
Just this week I've learned that I can't purchase a firearm and I can't vote. I've also been told that there is at least one chain of local convenience stores that won't sell adult beverages without a photo ID.
So, in order to be a pistol-packin', beer-drinkin', tea-party-votin' Amur'can I have to go enjoy the Bonny Oaks Experience all over again. Can't wait! Buenos Dias!
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Post by JC on Jul 27, 2011 18:14:16 GMT -5
Go to the one in cleveland. You'll be in and out in 5 minutes
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Post by ssmynkint on Jul 27, 2011 18:20:49 GMT -5
And for poor, rural and others who don't drive or have ready access to transportation?
I have no objection,per se, to photo ID. But if the State makes it a law, the State is obligated to provide cites where such photos can be made, i.e., each polling station.
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Post by JC on Jul 27, 2011 19:16:46 GMT -5
Read the TCA.
The poor will receive free photo ids and those who do not drive can still vote with an absentee ballot- where no id is required.
Pictureman, just noticed that you're "packin". Your carry permit photo can be used for your DL. You should be able to get a new dl with photo by mail.
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Post by Bob on Jul 27, 2011 19:24:37 GMT -5
so what the're saying is the best way to commit voter fraud is "object" or vote in absentee.. And the point is?
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Post by mandrake on Jul 27, 2011 19:25:42 GMT -5
The permit is very sufficient ID for voting, it not only has your picture, The TBI and the FBI both agree you are who you say you are. Don't think I would try to use it for the TSA, however.
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Post by Bob on Jul 27, 2011 19:28:27 GMT -5
but if you're going to use your carry permit as an id, you need to also be wearing a big loose jacket... [grin]
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Post by JC on Jul 27, 2011 19:45:39 GMT -5
That's true but I've heard stories that permits are not always accepted as id since they're not as common and people just don't realize it's a form of id
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Post by pictureman on Jul 27, 2011 20:58:43 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't make that clear, JC. I'm not packin', since Academy Sports wouldn't sell me a piece without a photo ID. I was actually going to buy a Remington 870 "home defense" 12 gauge and a Uberti .45 Peacemaker replica. This law cost the store a nice little bit of business. Next stop: the upcoming gun show.
On a side note, I got a new job a year ago and had to take a drug test. You're right: photo ID required. I discussed the "no photo driver's license" situation with the manager of the lab who agreed to let me pee in the bottle. Others have not been so accomodating.
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Post by pictureman on Jul 27, 2011 21:00:56 GMT -5
...and I appreciate your suggestion about Cleveland. That's what I'll do. Thanx!
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Post by duke on Jul 28, 2011 6:49:52 GMT -5
So for an hour plus drive time one can avoid Bonney Oaks wait? Not much,if any, net gain.
For ID only or DL renewal, the downtown Chattanooga courthouse will accommodate for a much shorter wait time. Typically 30 min.
Want to buy beer without an ID? Go to a liquor store.
Still no relief at demand at polling places to exercise a constitutional right without showing a government ID where there is no law requiring that such ID be obtained, routinely carried or be produced on demand. Perhaps I should not bring attention to the lack of such laws or they will be enacted by our statists.
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Post by JC on Jul 28, 2011 7:05:18 GMT -5
It's only a ~15 min drive from brainerd to the dos in cleveland.
My last trip to bonny oaks had me there all day.
If the courthouse can take your pic, then great.
In tn, you can not buy beer in a liquor store. Even if, you still have to show id per requirements.
There is no right to vote. There's only a right to not be discriminated against when voting.
Are you really a lawyer? one would think a lawyer would know those two things...
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Post by Warkitty on Jul 28, 2011 7:27:15 GMT -5
Passport is also a photo id
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Post by coffeeshooter on Jul 28, 2011 7:30:32 GMT -5
When I reached a "certain age" I was told that I no longer needed my photograph on my Tennessee Driver's License, and to choose to have it would actually cost more. Naturally, I elected to omit the picture. Just this week I've learned that I can't purchase a firearm and I can't vote. I've also been told that there is at least one chain of local convenience stores that won't sell adult beverages without a photo ID. So, in order to be a pistol-packin', beer-drinkin', tea-party-votin' Amur'can I have to go enjoy the Bonny Oaks Experience all over again. Can't wait! Buenos Dias! Hamilton County Courthouse - 2nd Floor-- in and out in 15 minutes or less. shhh.. don't tell anyone.  |
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Jul 28, 2011 15:02:18 GMT -5
"And for poor, rural and others who don't drive or have ready access to transportation?"
If you are "poor" it is free; you also can't get your "benefits" without a photo ID....so who ARE these ID-less people? I have only met a few EVER----every one of them was disabled to the point that they were not mentally competent to vote anyway (toss in any democrat joke you'd like here_______).
You can't use your benefits, get food, get your cable box or dish replaced or get your cell phone without transportation from somewhere/somebody. If voting is so crucial, it should rank at least as high as your cell phone. I have never met ANYONE who had no way of getting to where they needed---whether by friend, tractor, CARTA/STS, Rural Transport, horseback or walking. Again, getting to the voting booth should be as important as getting the cable box replaced.
Voting occurs every 2 years.....if getting to the voting booth is so difficult, how is getting an ID even an issue since they won't/can't do either. The "What about the poor...." argument is ridiculous at best, political pandering at its worst. So, who's for red herring for dinner?
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jul 28, 2011 15:15:09 GMT -5
Republicans claim that the elections need to be protected from voter fraud while the Democrats claim that requiring a photo ID restricts access to the poll for the poor and elderly. Who's right? According to NPR there is little evidence that widespread voter fraud is occurring or the photo ID laws are preventing anyone from voting. Doug Chapin, an election expert with the Humphrey School of Public Affairs at the University of Minnesota, says one problem with the current debate is that there's little data to back up either side.
Chapin says there's not only no evidence of widespread fraud, but "you really haven't seen, despite the rhetoric to the contrary, a whole lot of evidence that there are large numbers of people who are registered to vote, or want to register to vote, and don't have the kind of ID that would be required." So I don't think the voter ID laws are needed but I don't see that they are hurting anything either. |
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Post by pictureman on Jul 28, 2011 19:54:21 GMT -5
"So for an hour plus drive time one can avoid Bonney Oaks wait? Not much,if any, net gain."
A few months ago I took my daughter to the Bonney Oaks center to get her license reinstated. Waited for about one hour in line to get inside the door. Then waited another one-plus hours to move two or three feet toward the "screening" area. Then an employee came out front and announced that the wait to actually get to speak with someone - who would then assign us to another appropriate waiting area - would be about another 1.5 hours. We left. Over two hours invested (plus travel time from Brainerd) with no results.
On the other hand, an hour up-and-back (at worst) to downtown Cleveland, a brief wait to get a new license, plus I can buy some firecrackers. I'll take that.
True, liquor stores don't sell beer as any Tennessee resident knows, but, Costco does, 10 minutes away, $4 a sixpack for Bud, a "visual" approval of my majority, and Georgia sales tax. Gas up while I'm there and save 5-10 cents a gallon - I'll take that, too.
How about if, when we vote, we stick our pinkie in a bottle of purple ink?
Coffeeshooter (Is that legal in Tennessee??): Your secret is safe with me. Thanx.
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Post by mikeydokey on Jul 28, 2011 22:42:43 GMT -5
Go to the one in cleveland. You'll be in and out in 5 minutes That's what she said. |
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Post by harsh on Jul 29, 2011 10:56:55 GMT -5
...and I appreciate your suggestion about Cleveland. That's what I'll do. Thanx! 4 hour wait in Cleveland for my drivers license and 4 hours a year later for my carry permit....................good luck though |
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Post by rstewart on Jul 29, 2011 14:17:52 GMT -5
...and I appreciate your suggestion about Cleveland. That's what I'll do. Thanx! 4 hour wait in Cleveland for my drivers license and 4 hours a year later for my carry permit....................good luck though That's why I go to Benton! Took less than 10 min. cost my an extra $3 but well worth it! |
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Post by pictureman on Jul 29, 2011 17:01:30 GMT -5
Wow. Sounds like an ordeal reeeegardless.
I think I'll run down to Main @ Willow. Get a photo driver's license, a Guatemalan cedula de identificacion, a sack of chicharrones, and a nickle bag for a couple of fist bumps and $200. For $225 they'll throw in some "female companionship", if the Police Moderator stays over in East Lake for about 10 more minutes.
Think I'll try the Courthouse Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2011 18:03:04 GMT -5
Is it really worth the extra $25?
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Post by pictureman on Jul 29, 2011 18:57:17 GMT -5
At my age, probably.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Oct 9, 2011 22:06:24 GMT -5
So for an hour plus drive time one can avoid Bonney Oaks wait? Not much,if any, net gain. For ID only or DL renewal, the downtown Chattanooga courthouse will accommodate for a much shorter wait time. Typically 30 min. Want to buy beer without an ID? Go to a liquor store. Still no relief at demand at polling places to exercise a constitutional right without showing a government ID where there is no law requiring that such ID be obtained, routinely carried or be produced on demand. Perhaps I should not bring attention to the lack of such laws or they will be enacted by our statists. Oops, too late. You and TNBarr will have to ride CARTA together to get to the new Red Bank station. |
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Post by Bob on Oct 10, 2011 5:57:16 GMT -5
I asked my Mom about the "no picture" thing. She said she keeps her old ID in her purse too, if someone needs a photo ID she shows both of them.
Hasn't had a problem.
Mom's are smart... [grin]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 7:17:32 GMT -5
CARTA hasn't served Red Bank for years. That's part of what helps keep Red Bank property taxes lower than some other areas.
For grins and giggles, I drove by the new license place on Dayton Boulevard yesterday (Sunday, 10/09). Entrance to the place is very confusing (to me), and I predict it will cause people grief. I hope they get that situation straightened out quickly with some good signage or something.
* edited 10/21 to add: signage was changed, and it's easy now.
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Post by ssmynkint on Oct 21, 2011 6:08:24 GMT -5
Despite LR's response (#15), the events surrounding Dorthy Cooper's struggle to get a photo/voter ID validate the concerns I expressed in post #3.
Obviously, this program still has bugs, and striving for greater access must be made.
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Post by Half-Tard on Oct 21, 2011 15:51:57 GMT -5
You can get beer at liquor store. The high gravity ones over %6 like arrogant bastard ale and such. Vote absentee hell with an ID.
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