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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2011 18:33:13 GMT -5
Imagine a married couple who make about $25,000 / yr and have insurance with a $3,500 deductible.
Suppose one of them needs a gall bladder removed.
What resources are available to them that won't break the bank?
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Post by Warkitty on Jul 29, 2011 18:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by pompey on Jul 29, 2011 18:40:36 GMT -5
Doesn't the private insurance market provide options for people in this situation?
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Post by JC on Jul 29, 2011 18:47:28 GMT -5
Wait till it ruptures and go to the ER. Then let the tax payers pick up the bill.
Welcome to the world's greatest health care "system".
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Post by osrb on Jul 29, 2011 18:48:37 GMT -5
Hell just have it done then walk out on the bill.
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Post by pompey on Jul 29, 2011 18:57:10 GMT -5
Wait till it ruptures and go to the ER. Then let the tax payers pick up the bill. Welcome to the world's greatest health care "system". Good thing we don't have a public option. If that were the case, these unfortunate folks would get preventive treatment, avoid the super-expensive ER and save the entire system a fortune. Sounds horrible, I know. Maybe if we gave some rich folks a tax cut, some urgent care would magically "trickle down" to help out. |
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jul 29, 2011 21:43:15 GMT -5
Imagine a married couple who make about $25,000 / yr and have insurance with a $3,500 deductible. Suppose one of them needs a gall bladder removed. What resources are available to them that won't break the bank? My first suggestion would be for them to have a talk with their pastor. If they have no use for religion find a friend they trust who does that can point them to their pastor. There are resources available for situations like this but they generally don't advertise the service because it is an instant calling to fill a need. You can say what you will about the hypocrites in the Church and you will probably be right but there are also many people there looking to serve. You don't hear about them precisely because they are looking to serve, not be promoted. |
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Post by el Gusano on Jul 29, 2011 23:04:45 GMT -5
There are also many doctors who will waive fees, but the government is trying to shut them down.
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Post by mikeydokey on Jul 29, 2011 23:59:33 GMT -5
Several Doctors and Dentists run free clinics here in Athens every weekend or so. Costs are offset by donations and only requirement for eligibilty is to demonstrate your lack of ability to pay. Course you never hear much about it, guess it's not politically correct.
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Post by Bob on Jul 30, 2011 0:04:53 GMT -5
social security disability. After/if you get accepted has a 25 month waiting period before you're eligible for social security insurance.
insurance that will pay about 60% of any doctors bill. (or those few that still accept social security)
of course you MUST have supplemental insurance most of which is expensive and very selective of what they pay.
yeah, great health care system.
I know a guy from Canada. He says the biggest difference between free Canadian health care and expensive american health care is the waiting rooms in america are nicer.
something we need to remember next time we vote.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Jul 31, 2011 11:04:15 GMT -5
United States #1 in healthcare costs
37th in provided care....Don't worry I'm sure some charity or churches will step up and fix it.
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Post by mikeydokey on Jul 31, 2011 11:53:40 GMT -5
More entitlements, that's the fix.
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Post by el Gusano on Jul 31, 2011 13:18:05 GMT -5
US is also number 1 in the quality of healthcare available.
The WHO's findings of 37th are based on some indefinite idea they call "fairness" in which countries that have lousy healthcare, but everyone has the exact same healthcare (except for those who come to the US to be treated) receive a higher rating.
I will take the best quality, thank you very much.
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Post by mikeydokey on Jul 31, 2011 19:50:36 GMT -5
How would you like to live in Venezuela and have to go to Cuba to recieve cancer treatments, and that's for the Prez. Chavez only, imagine what the common citizenry recieve for healthcare. Guess he watched that fat ass Michael Moore's movie (Sicko) and went and found the hospital there. Too bad the movie (Sicko) was banned in Cuba, seems The Castro's didn't want the Cubans thinking that they were entitled to use these great hosptials.
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Post by gridbug on Aug 1, 2011 7:37:34 GMT -5
To get last rites?
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Post by Justin Thyme on Aug 1, 2011 8:12:37 GMT -5
No, regardless of what you think about religion church pastors know where money is available to fund individual needs. Besides, Last Rites is a Catholic tradition, not a Protestant. I'm sure a Catholic priest would also know where some funding might be available for the couple but playing the odds the couple would most likely be Protestant. |
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Post by daworm on Aug 1, 2011 9:04:43 GMT -5
Assuming a mentally competent and otherwise healthy couple, Chattanooga State comes to mind, but only much earlier so they could get an education to be able to get a better than $25K combined income and afford better insurance. Why should everyone else have to pay for their medical care? They made the mistake of not preparing themselves for life, why do the rest of us pay the price?
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Post by Justin Thyme on Aug 1, 2011 9:29:42 GMT -5
Assuming a mentally competent and otherwise healthy couple, Chattanooga State comes to mind, but only much earlier so they could get an education to be able to get a better than $25K combined income and afford better insurance. Why should everyone else have to pay for their medical care? They made the mistake of not preparing themselves for life, why do the rest of us pay the price? Okay, but the mistakes have been made and now a gall bladder needs to be removed. Talking about what they should have done doesn't help them in finding help to do what must be done now. |
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 1, 2011 10:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by gridbug on Aug 1, 2011 10:51:37 GMT -5
We already do pay the price when people fall through the cracks. The whole point of the Affordable Healthcare Act was to fix that. Or at least that was the intent before all that effort went into sabotaging it...
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Post by el Gusano on Aug 1, 2011 14:31:14 GMT -5
Fixing something through stealing the labor of the productive doesn't fix anything; it is simply spiritual cannibalism. Parasites will eventually kill the host.
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Post by pompey on Aug 1, 2011 14:54:01 GMT -5
Fixing something through stealing the labor of the productive doesn't fix anything; it is simply spiritual cannibalism. Parasites will eventually kill the host. Are you insinuating that the people that Yoda is referring to are "parasites"? And you call yourself a "pastor"? Disgusting. |
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Post by el Gusano on Aug 1, 2011 15:15:41 GMT -5
Which part of "thou shalt not steal" and "thou shalt not covet" is so difficult for you to understand, "man"?
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Post by pompey on Aug 1, 2011 15:19:25 GMT -5
Which part of "thou shalt not steal" and "thou shalt not covet" is so difficult for you to understand, "man"? You are referring to people who have come upon hard times and ill health as "parasites", and you reconcile that - ignoring Christ's message of compassion - by citing the Old Testament. Your church must be such a special place. |
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Post by BlackFox on Aug 1, 2011 15:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by el Gusano on Aug 1, 2011 16:39:59 GMT -5
I am referencing people who choose to make decisions to leech off of others, not those who are in circumstances beyond their control.
And Jesus taught the same message: Work for what you get, period.
Charity is given voluntarily, not at the point of a sword.
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Post by pompey on Aug 1, 2011 17:26:23 GMT -5
He taught, um, a few more 'messages' than that. Do you claim to subscribe to the rest, or do you just cherry-pick the ones that allow you to pass judgment on people that you don't like or agree with?
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Post by Bob on Aug 1, 2011 20:53:04 GMT -5
we all know my tolerance for troll-like posts...
do not feed trolls
if a post is an attack or doesn't pertain to the topic ignore it.
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Post by el Gusano on Aug 1, 2011 23:29:09 GMT -5
I've been racking my brain and hope that someone can point me to the passage that says, "It's now OK to steal" for any reason.
JiT has the right idea. No force involved.
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Post by JC on Aug 2, 2011 2:55:24 GMT -5
Paying tax isn't stealing. It's the voluntary payment for public services. You are not forced to pay any tax.
And those taxes are voted for. If you do not agree with them, then you can either vote the politicians out or you can simply not pay them.
In this case, those taxes are being used for social well being. To help those that are down on their luck or have no other option. People that will die for no other reason then what their check books look like.
Since religion has been brought into it; religion is the main hindrance to medicine in more ways then one can count. People like gus feel that money is more important then his brothers' lives based solely on an
interpretation of some mystical book. It's also why this country has fallen behind in many new life-saving technologies to countries like Canada and China. Yes, China-a country that once was one of the worst-has passed us right on by.
And this is something I take very personally, as one of these life-saving technologies is the reason I cannot walk today. All thanks to a few churches.
Yes, those that proud themselves on helping, saving and serving their fellow man, couldn't care less when it comes down to the "truth".
Anyone who chooses to believe an
ancient book instead of modern technology is an idiot that is
incapable of rational self-thought. I know that's harsh to say and will piss off gus, and many others, but it's the truth, like it or not.
Sorry, Bob. But I can only tolerate so much "bible is more important then human life" nonsense.
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