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Post by alphacelt on Jul 26, 2009 15:42:52 GMT -5
Looking into military grade shotguns for home defense. What would you recommend?
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Post by professorx on Jul 26, 2009 17:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by dvc on Jul 26, 2009 18:08:02 GMT -5
WTF is "military grade"? Just get a Remington 870 with a short barrel.They make a Home Defense model or you could do like I did and put one together with what you want on it.
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Post by professorx on Jul 27, 2009 18:10:52 GMT -5
WTF is "military grade"? Just get a Remington 870 with a short barrel.They make a Home Defense model or you could do like I did and put one together with what you want on it. You know talking down to new shooters might put them off the "lifestyle" forever. It's not exactly a topic you can learn from reading the internet or books, someone has to show/teach you. I can remember 20 years ago when I didn't know shit about guns, I went into a local gun shop and the owner/manager reacted bady because I asked admittedly stupid questions. I went to a less elitist shop and the guy educated me, and I am still a gun owner and voter to this day. I wouldn't buy anything from the snotty gun store to this day. If the original place were still in business I would buy from them exclusively (gun oil to rifles). If I were new to shotguns I would get something simple to use. If a pump shotgun was the choice... the 870 is a great choice. I'd take it to the range and know how to load it with the shells inside the tube, and all you have to do it rack one into the chamber and it's ready. You don't want to be fumbling to load shells into a feed tube at 2am when there might be an intruder in your home. Then the important question, slugs or buckshot? Or both. If money is an issue, I think that Mossbergs might be a little cheaper. The tactical shotguns aren't a special "tough" grade, only made different with a shorter barrel and maybe a pistol grip. The shorter barrel will make it easier navigating your house in the dark when pitted against a potential intruder. The remington in the picture I posted an a semi-auto, no pumping required. I think it's pretty sweet. If you weren't joking and need a real military shotgun, then here you go (God help your neighbors, if you ever need to use the thing): www.metacafe.com/watch/1082027/aa_12_automatic_shotgun/
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Post by alphacelt on Jul 27, 2009 19:47:26 GMT -5
Thanks Prof. That was the kind of information I was looking for. You can always tell the folks who are serious about something by how serious they are about delivering accurate information.
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Post by cadillacdude1975 on Jul 27, 2009 19:56:37 GMT -5
by god. that will get it done.
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Post by alphacelt on Jul 27, 2009 20:09:36 GMT -5
My only formal training was with the M16 in Army basic training so I'm thinking the Remington model would be a safer direction for me. I just see me shooting my own foot off in a HD scenario using something like the TacStar.
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Post by goomba on Jul 27, 2009 22:28:55 GMT -5
I dont like pistol grip only shotguns. contrary to popular belief, you still have to aim with a shotgun. the USMC is now issuing the benelli M4 super 90 (M1014) shotgun. just do a google search for benelli M4. its gotten high marks. and looks very similar to the remington picured above. It also depens on what your wanting the shotgun for, as well as what you may be more comfortable with. pistol grip only shotguns look cool only in the movies. but since you were trained with the M-16. a pistol griped stock may work best for. IMO it would give you a familiar feel. next you need to go into pump or auto. I'd go with a pump for starters. as well as a fully cylinder....dont get any chokes unless you plan on doing some hunting...then there are differant recomendations for that. I would also recommend checking out some gun shops, like sportsmans warehouse on Lee hwy. go in, tell them your looking & play with some guns I have a Winchester 1300 defender. still has the basic stock/foregrip, all I have done was add a sidesaddle and a sling. let me know if you want to shoot it, I have a couple boxes of shells laying around.... we will just have to find a place for us to shoot it, Prentic cooper doesnt allow shotguns.
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Post by JC on Jul 28, 2009 4:40:21 GMT -5
Mossy 500A Tactical for me. Mine is similiar to this one,only my side saddle is receiver mounted
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Post by demanton on Jul 28, 2009 19:42:35 GMT -5
Nice! I've always liked the look of the gnarly bludgeoning/tactical entry tool on the end of the Cruiser barrel.
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Post by JC on Jul 28, 2009 23:43:34 GMT -5
Me too!
But it looks allot nicer then it is though. What folks don't know is how sharp those buggers are! I couldn't count how many times Ive cut my hands up while trying to clean the damn thing
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Post by dvc on Jul 29, 2009 5:49:53 GMT -5
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You know talking down to new shooters might put them off the "lifestyle" forever. [/quote]Define "military grade" or for that matter "tactical" I get tired of seeing these terms tossed about everywhere.I suggested the 870 HD model which is the best deal out there.The Winchester 1300 Goomba mentioned is an excellent choice as well,it is the smoothest and fastest cycling pump gun made.The Mossberg would be my last choice,yeah they "work" but the action feels like sandpaper and if you ever decide to sell or trade it be prepared to bend over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 7:44:34 GMT -5
Winchester 1300 Batteries not included, some assembly required?
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Post by Justin Thyme on Jul 29, 2009 8:25:03 GMT -5
I would think that a shotgun used for a home self defense weapon would need to be shorter than a shotgun used for hunting. I would also think that it would need to hold more shells than a hunting shotgun, possibly a wider pattern at a shorter range and make a whole hell of a lot of noise. I think "tactical" or "military grade" are good enough terms to differentiate the needs of that weapon from the needs of a hunting weapon.
I also think that the pistol grip probably adds to the needed maneuverability of a "tactical" shotgun but I would also think that a short stock would be necessary to maintain control of the weapon.
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Post by goomba on Jul 29, 2009 10:13:04 GMT -5
This is my 12ga Shotgun. Winchester 1300 defender. got it for about $200 about 5 or 6 years ago. I added the uncle mikes shell cuff when I first got it. then upgraded to a tac-star sidesaddle. I recently put the cuff back on for S**ts and giggles. I also recently added the sling. May upgrade to differant sling, but this one severs it purpose well.
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