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Post by el Gusano on Sept 7, 2009 23:00:58 GMT -5
I've been pondering why, since most schools in the USA don't start until the 8th or 9th of September, Barry Soetero Hussein Obama chose to give his indoctrination propaganda speech on the 8th. I figured there had to be an ulterior motive. Well, seems I should have been keeping up with court. On September 8th, Federal District Court Judge David O. Carter, a highly decorated combat Marine, will begin a hearing on the eligibility of this man to be president of the USA. Turns out that the Kenyan birth certificate wasn't thrown out of court for being false, but because of an improper filing by Orly Taitz. It will be part of the suit that is being brought by a couple hundred military clients, and others. If, as Barry claims he was born in Hawaii, does he not simply produce the document, instead of spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to fight the release of it? ( Here is one example of attempted strong-arming that is spending our hard-earned money instead of spending $15 on the document. Notice they still don't rebut the claim.) I will pay $15 for his birth certificate, if $15 is too much for him to shell out.) The man who has the supposed Kenyan birth certificate, has now put his freedom on the line by filing an affidavit about the origins of the birth certificate. The many is shady, but he's risking a lot of freedom for some money (and he DOES like money; if it's a forgery, he won't get any), and when it comes to shady, Obama's czars and other appointees are at the pinnacle. Real doctors who were practicing at the time, real places, but some incongruities. However, the same incongruities have been found on other sources, so they're not enough to debunk it. The officials in Kenya will neither deny nor confirm the signatures, etc., although they say that it's not like most other birth certificates at the time. When doctors at the Coast Province Hospital were questioned, they said the Kenyan Security Forces came in in 2004 and took all their documents, and when they were returned, some were missing. (However, if they were hiding his, it would be gone and not faked, wouldn't it?) It will be interesting to see whether the document is permitted, and to see if the case is expedited and if his original Hawaii document is demanded. After all this, I would withdraw my offer of paying the $15 and think he should have to pay it himself. I wish he would just show it and get it over with for better or worse. I do, however, find it interesting the congressional hearings were held on McCain's eligibility.
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Post by davrik on Sept 8, 2009 5:58:54 GMT -5
The tin hat salesmen have to be lovig this!
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Post by gridbug on Sept 8, 2009 6:48:59 GMT -5
The die-hard Birther strikes again. Smokescreens aside...
All I was wondering about today's speech is how many of you were keeping your children out of school today so they wouldn't have to hear the President's speech. I suspect attendance will be pretty low today.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 8, 2009 6:52:30 GMT -5
My kids will not be sitting in class today.
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Post by doughlady on Sept 8, 2009 7:23:16 GMT -5
I wonder how many of you had children in public schools when Reagan was president and addressed the school children and pushed his tax-cutting agenda. Not only did my children attend school on that day, but they were required to write a paper on the president (that president, not the presidency) before the speech, and then again after the speech summarizing what President Reagan had said. It was an effective learning tool, and none of my three children have come out brainwashed.
In fact, as a child, in school I was taught and exhorted to be the best I could be -- not just for me, but to give back to this country, in which I was privileged to live and which every uncle and aunt had fought for in World War II. My grandmother, who taught school for over 60 years, and had several pearls of wisdom that she shared with all of us, would forever teach us that it was not about how much we earned, and certainly not about how much we kept, but how much we served others. But that's an old-fashioned idea that is certainly not in vogue in our self-centered culture of today.
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Post by rstewart on Sept 8, 2009 7:42:08 GMT -5
His speech will not be carried in Bradley County. A huge suprise, NOT! Even if it were my kids would still be going to school today. I fail to see anything wrong with the President of the United States addressing kids and letting them know the importance of education. I think it's an outstanding idea to plant the idea of taking responsibility to learn. It seems to me that in our society taking responsibility is an alien concept.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 8, 2009 7:45:08 GMT -5
Doughlady, even back then children were actually expected to attend school. That's a bit of an unfair comparison since now parents seem to take their children out of school on a whim, and the school may suspend them for having an untucked shirttail.
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Post by printemps on Sept 8, 2009 7:46:59 GMT -5
The many is shady, but he's risking a lot of freedom for some money
He's "shady" but not pandering.
A righteous con, then.
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Post by ruttco on Sept 8, 2009 8:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 8:27:27 GMT -5
It's not the address that is the issue, but the curriculum that is being issued along with it.
And when I was in school, the teachers hated Reagan. We never got to watch his addresses, much less do papers on him.
And thanks for trying to obfuscate and redirect. No one (well, very few) are claiming his certificate is a forgery. They're trying (by "they", the court case that begins TODAY) to make him show his original certificate because anyone could have gotten a short form, whether they were born there or not, up until the last couple of years.
And his "pandering con" will gain him zilch if the Kenyan one is a forgery. Never said it was righteous, only that he was in it for the money.
But nice to try to redirect it; kind of like Obama's lawyers never deny any of the charges, only try to twist words and get it thrown out without hearing the evidence.
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Post by Felix on Sept 8, 2009 9:27:17 GMT -5
Back to President Obama's speech, the whole text is available several places online, here is one. Facts are always better than invective, partisanship and distortion. My children will not attend school on this day, but they graduated years ago. They would most certainly attend if they were still in school. I am not clear on whether our grandchildren will hear the address, but I hope so. So does Babs. Oh, and last year, our granddaughter voted in a straw poll at her school; she voted for McCain.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 8, 2009 9:55:03 GMT -5
Thanks Felix I just read it and somehow missed the dangerous indoctrination parts. Would those of you that take offense at the President's message please point out to me just what parts are so bad? I am not looking for an argument, I would just like to know what parts you take offense at. After all, without discussion there can be no understanding.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 8, 2009 10:09:33 GMT -5
Well, there's this: don't ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country. Do you really want our kids not giving up because they owe it to the country or do you want them to not give up because they are simply better than that? Again, I hope they begin this charade with the pledge of allegiance to the flag and end it with some music from John Phillips Sousa. This is indoctrination for these good little future workers of America.
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Post by snarkalicious on Sept 8, 2009 16:48:58 GMT -5
>>>Well, there's this:
don't ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
Do you really want our kids not giving up because they owe it to the country or do you want them to not give up because they are simply better than that?
And the remiander of that sentence was "and worst of all, you give up on yourself".
Interesting that all thse folks who called French fries "Freedom fries" and wore patriotic T- shirts and sent out all the spam about patriotism are now complaining that the President of our county is encouraging kids to study hard in school so they can grow up and help our nation succeed.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 8, 2009 17:38:38 GMT -5
Did you ever hear me complain about French Fries? Have you ever seen me in a patriotic t-shirt? Patriotism is fine but it is something that is given freely, not something that is given because you would feel guilty not doing so.
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Post by thunderbird on Sept 8, 2009 22:07:25 GMT -5
>>>Well, there's this: don't ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country. Do you really want our kids not giving up because they owe it to the country or do you want them to not give up because they are simply better than that? And the remiander of that sentence was "and worst of all, you give up on yourself". Interesting that all thse folks who called French fries "Freedom fries" and wore patriotic T- shirts and sent out all the spam about patriotism are now complaining that the President of our county is encouraging kids to study hard in school so they can grow up and help our nation succeed. Of course if we don't do it for our country and families and friends, then it becomes a me mentality which is partly why we're in this economic mess with everyone on Wall Street thinking for themselves instead of doing the right thing.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Sept 8, 2009 22:13:05 GMT -5
Me too!! They also need to include two years of manadtory service to this great nation be it the Military or Public Service. If you don't do it you won't qualify for any type of Public Assistance. Pay forward by choice or by force pick your poison.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 8, 2009 22:23:27 GMT -5
Doing what is personally economically beneficial has been the only thing ever in recorded history to pull people en masse out of poverty for extended periods.
Funny how we tend to think it's somehow virtuous to get away from this idea and steal from producers to give to non-producers and drag everyone one down.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 9, 2009 6:23:11 GMT -5
Of course if we don't do it for our country and families and friends, then it becomes a me mentality which is partly why we're in this economic mess with everyone on Wall Street thinking for themselves instead of doing the right thing. Doing things for "me" isn't what got us into this mess, partially or fully. What has gotten us into this mess is not having the guts to go out and provide fully for ourselves and demanding that we keep what we earn. What got us into this mess is worrying too much about a safety net and not enough about climbing higher. What got us into this mess is demanding that resources be forcefully taken from everyone to meet the needs of the needy instead of manning up and taking care of our own family and not trying to make the rest of the country meet our familial obligations. It's funny to me how two parents can raise ten kids but ten kids can't take care of two elderly parents. It's also funny to me how my grandmother could deliver dozens of babies without a high school education and for nothing more than a dozen eggs when now it takes a doctor, a squad of nurses and $20,000 to bring a baby into the world. Our economic woes aren't due to a "me" mentality, its due to a lack of a "me" mentality. If things were more about "me" and less about "them" people would realize that it is themselves they need to depend upon and not the rest of society. At that point government could grow smaller instead of larger and politicians could go back to being representatives of the people rather than the power brokers they see themselves as being.
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Post by printemps on Sept 9, 2009 12:00:00 GMT -5
Yes, collectivism fails dismally in economics. It is not reflected in our fire departments, police departments, parks, military, roads, water safety and more, however.
The chorus of personal responsibility as the solution to our health-care problems is an evidence-free mythology. The nation tolerated personal-responsibility arguments from Big Tobacco for decades, with disastrous results. If higher risk of death doesn’t deter smoking, why would higher risk of medical bills do the trick?
JFK's inaugural line, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather ask what you can do for your country" wasn't an appeal to ask what you can do for yourself. It was a call for each of us to contribute to the collective good, not descend into selfish individualism.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 9, 2009 12:03:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah? What's in it for me then?
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Post by snarkalicious on Sept 9, 2009 12:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by snarkalicious on Sept 9, 2009 12:32:59 GMT -5
>>>Did you ever hear me complain about French Fries? Have you ever seen me in a patriotic t-shirt? Patriotism is fine but it is something that is given freely, not something that is given because you would feel guilty not doing so.
I've never seen you, only read your posts
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Post by Bryan Stone on Sept 9, 2009 12:47:17 GMT -5
the best part about all this B-Rock hating is?
all you blowhards are going to get to continue it until '16.
Keep it coming GOPunks
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 9, 2009 13:17:15 GMT -5
Since we have at least 3,800 years of recorded history that price controls of any sort have always failed in the long run...
Let's just give it one more chance. It's just GOT to work THIS time!
Pure insanity!
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 9, 2009 14:37:05 GMT -5
The chorus of personal responsibility as the solution to our health-care problems is an evidence-free mythology. The nation tolerated personal-responsibility arguments from Big Tobacco for decades, with disastrous results. I don't know. It seemed pretty successful for the tobacco companies. They were making fantastic profits until the do-gooders came along. I'm also not convinced that the government sanctions against the tobacco companies were one bit effective in the decrease in the number of smokers. I think education and personal responsibility is what lead to the decreased rate. JFK got a lot of things wrong and this speech was one of them. Selfish individualism is what will eventually pull us out of our economic woes, not collectivism.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 9, 2009 14:39:50 GMT -5
>>>Did you ever hear me complain about French Fries? Have you ever seen me in a patriotic t-shirt? Patriotism is fine but it is something that is given freely, not something that is given because you would feel guilty not doing so. I've never seen you, only read your posts Okay have you ever read anything I wrote in which I was complaining about french fries? After reading my posts do you believe me to be the type of person who would go around in a patriotic shirt and have patriotic bumper stickers with patriotic slogans on my car?
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 9, 2009 14:49:38 GMT -5
FWIW, "hear" can properly be used for the written word when used in discourse.
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Sept 9, 2009 16:23:41 GMT -5
I heard that!
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Post by printemps on Sept 9, 2009 18:16:47 GMT -5
I think education and personal responsibility is what lead to the decreased rate. It was mostly the huge tax on cigarettes and Big Tobacco no longer being able to defend liability claims in court after jurors stopped buying the "personal responsibility" defense. Presidents for two centuries have exhorted Americans to public service. George Washington brought it up in his first inaugural. Free-wheeling "selfish individualism" is a libertarian daydream. "Selfish individualism" runs the spectrum from Steve Jobs to Bernie Madoff. We encourage the former and casually overlook the other - until the criminality gets too glaring. Entrepreneurship has been under bridle since Article I of the Constitution deemed to "promote the progress of science and useful arts by granting copyrights and patents of limited duration."
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