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Post by el Gusano on Sept 19, 2009 14:03:11 GMT -5
With an honorable discharge. And he released ALL his records.
But, Ted Nugent admitted that it was wrong, apologized, and is doing something about it.
Only in a liberal's mind are the following two statements equivalent:
"I was wrong and I'm ashamed. Although I can't ever really make up for it, I will do what I can."
"Depends on what your definition of 'is' is."
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Post by frayne on Sept 19, 2009 15:11:34 GMT -5
Ted is nothing more than an articulate, chicken hawk, asshole and a mediocre guitar player.
Politics Nugent's views translate to his politics, and according to an interview in The Independent he "considers homosexuality morally wrong" and is an outspoken supporter of the Republican Party and the United States military. As a reward for entertaining U.S. troops in Iraq in 2004, he visited Saddam Hussein's war room. "It was a glorious moment. It looked like something out of Star Wars. I saw his gold toilet. I shit in his bidet."[27] Nugent also said: "Our failure has been not to Nagasaki them."[27]
In 2007, Nugent voiced his opposition to Democratic Party presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. In a videotaped August 2007 concert performance, Nugent waved a machine gun and stated:
“Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary, You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”
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At an Anaheim, California concert on August 21, 2007, Nugent's description of trips to New York and Chicago, and the conversations he purported to have with the senators are in keeping with his trademark views, as Nugent went on to describe similar incidents and invitations to "suck on his machine gun" with other prominent Democrats, such as Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.[29][30]
Despite giving previous support for Republican candidates,[31] he thought John McCain "to be catering to a growing segment of soulless Americans who care less what they can do for their country, but whine louder and louder about what their country must do for them. That is both un-American and pathetic."[18] He supported John McCain during the 2008 Republican Party primaries, later saying that "John would bring about an enormous upgrade for quality of life in America overall". [edit] Military
An interviewer from the British newspaper The Independent questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview in High Times magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam draft.[32]
"I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up." [32]
Nugent dismissed the veracity of these statements, saying "You've got to realize that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up." He explained that he did not go to Vietnam because he had a one-year student deferment. When questioned, he admitted that he had "not wanted to get his ass blown off in Vietnam," but made note of a tour he made with the USO in 2004 to Fallujah and Afghanistan as support of his assertion that "I am not a coward." He also said that "Because I failed to serve in Vietnam, I feel an obligation now, to do everything I can to support those defending our freedom. Do I feel guilt and embarrassment? Yes."[32]
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Post by LimitedRecourse on Sept 20, 2009 12:14:11 GMT -5
And, again, the MESSAGE is lost on the deaf...
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Post by Tsavodiner on Sept 22, 2009 3:18:31 GMT -5
did barry sotero serve in our military or does he get the position of "Commander in Chief" and the salute of Congressional of Honor winners simply because a bunch of liberals voted democrat?? everybodys talking down about Nugent when the highest serving American military office never served a day in his life. I haven't seen many quotes where Obama has talked about how he would totally kick ass either. And I haven't seen his service record--oh, WAIT, there ISN'T one! It's about nut-cutting time for His Majesty on troop levels for Afghanistan. We'll see if he follows his General's advice, or cuts and runs. Either way, he'll have to lie, because he SAID he'd end these foreign wars of domination over 'oil'.
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 22, 2009 7:00:12 GMT -5
If the Afghanistan war was started over oil, then whoever started it must be an idiot because they don't have any.
edited to add: You're right, it's time to shit or get off the pot in Afghanistan. Leaving the situation hanging like this is not leadership.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 22, 2009 8:13:42 GMT -5
They weren't stupid, just glassy eyed from all the opium
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Post by daworm on Sept 22, 2009 10:21:53 GMT -5
There's only one way to "win" in Afghanistan and that's pretty much extermination of all Taliban and anyone even remotely supporting them, and were we to stoop to that level, it would still be a loss not only morally but in terms of relations with the rest of the middle east and the world.
The only effective way to rid the world of such terrorists is to completely marginalize them. Don't deal with them in any way. Don't sell them food, clothes, or other goods. Don't buy anything from them. Don't deal with anyone who deals with them. Should China sell them goods, quit buying from China (and that's where it breaks down, our aversion to terrorism is smaller than our greed for cheap goods). Don't talk to them, don't acknowledge anything they say. If they starve over their beliefs, then it is their choice.
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Post by wheels on Sept 22, 2009 12:14:15 GMT -5
did barry sotero serve in our military or does he get the position of "Commander in Chief" and the salute of Congressional of Honor winners simply because a bunch of liberals voted democrat?? everybodys talking down about Nugent when the highest serving American military office never served a day in his life. I haven't seen many quotes where Obama has talked about how he would totally kick ass either. have you seen many quotes where bush, cheney, gingrich or limbaugh said such?
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 22, 2009 15:24:01 GMT -5
have you seen many quotes where bush, cheney, gingrich or limbaugh said such? Just one comes to mind, BRING EM' ON! All the others are big supporters of wars, as long as they're profiting from it instead of fighting in it. Anyway, my point was in relation to Nugent. He'll tell you all about "if" he had went, what a bloodbath it would have been. Like I said before, I don't care if people avoided the war, but if you did, then STFU about what a bad ass soldier you "would" have been.
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Post by frayne on Sept 22, 2009 16:58:45 GMT -5
As I said before, Ted is a big mouth tool.
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Post by Tsavodiner on Sept 22, 2009 17:00:27 GMT -5
Succinct and absolutely true. Nail=Head.
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Post by Scarlet&Gray on Sept 22, 2009 18:49:50 GMT -5
Nugent is an excellent guitar player. I let my entertainers entertain me. I don't listen nor care about their political views.
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Post by Bryan Stone on Sept 22, 2009 23:52:52 GMT -5
Not a fan (of Nugent)
never have been
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Post by wheels on Sept 23, 2009 13:08:32 GMT -5
have you seen many quotes where bush, cheney, gingrich or limbaugh said such? Just one comes to mind, BRING EM' ON! All the others are big supporters of wars, as long as they're profiting from it instead of fighting in it. Anyway, my point was in relation to Nugent. He'll tell you all about "if" he had went, what a bloodbath it would have been. Like I said before, I don't care if people avoided the war, but if you did, then STFU about what a bad ass soldier you "would" have been. i'm guessing bush was implying that america is a bad ass, not himself. therefore, none of your examples support your claim that "most of the chicken hawks come from the right."
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 23, 2009 13:41:22 GMT -5
Chicken Hawks and Neo-Cons are synonymous. The only chicken hawk I can think of, and he's not even on the left anymore since defense contracts and Israel have taken priority in his life, is Joe Lieberman.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 23, 2009 13:53:20 GMT -5
Blackfox, do you consider Col. Oliver North a Neo-Con?
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 23, 2009 14:07:50 GMT -5
Blackfox, do you consider Col. Oliver North a Neo-Con? Yes I do, so I was wrong about the two terms being synonomous. I stand corrected by saying that all Neo-Cons may not be chickenhawks, but most chickenhawks are Neo-Cons.
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Post by Conservator on Sept 23, 2009 14:48:20 GMT -5
So are all Neo-Cons Republicans? or is it there just no word for a Democratic chickenhawk.
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 23, 2009 15:15:48 GMT -5
So are all Neo-Cons Republicans? I would say so, wouldn't you?
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Post by Conservator on Sept 23, 2009 15:38:01 GMT -5
let me re-phrase that... Is there no Neo-Dems? To say most chickenhawks are Neo-Conservatives! I can just assume you're trying to strike up some conversation/reaction in this stagnant lounge?
I think it's important to note... the so called draft dodging, chicken hawk pu**y who apologized for his actions, and in no way in your mind can ever be forgiven for his actions 30+ years ago, makes a great point in Gus's posted video clip. Sure, hate the messenger, but the message is great.
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Post by Justin Thyme on Sept 23, 2009 16:46:24 GMT -5
Since Senator Clinton voted to go to war with Iraq and she never served a day in the military I would say she met the definition of a chickenhawk for at least a time period. She is a Democrat.
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 23, 2009 18:30:25 GMT -5
Since Senator Clinton voted to go to war with Iraq and she never served a day in the military I would say she met the definition of a chickenhawk for at least a time period. She is a Democrat. I'm no Hillary lover, but I don't think she meets the definition. As far as I know, she was never called to serve, and if she had been, she wouldn't have seen combat anyway.
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 23, 2009 18:39:20 GMT -5
let me re-phrase that... Is there no Neo-Dems? To say most chickenhawks are Neo-Conservatives! I can just assume you're trying to strike up some conversation/reaction in this stagnant lounge? Most HAWKS are conservative, so naturally most chicken hawks would be. Liberals are more hesitant to go to war in the first place, much less be bombastic about it, IMO. You miss the point I was originally making. I don't care so much at all that he didn't go to war. It's the fact that years later, when he is no longer eligible to serve, brags about how he would be such a badass soldier, and just beats the hell out of the war drum. That's what bothers me, and is the very defiinition of a chicken hawk. I haven't seen where he apologized, but it rings hollow with me when I hear his usual bravado.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 23, 2009 20:57:25 GMT -5
And liberals are much more likely to never see the error of their surrendering-in-advance ways, either.
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Post by BlackFox on Sept 23, 2009 21:41:58 GMT -5
Yea, it's better to just go ahead and throw a few thousand lives at it. You know, just in case.
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Post by frayne on Sept 23, 2009 22:20:02 GMT -5
And liberals are much more likely to never see the error of their surrendering-in-advance ways, either. Ever pick up a weapon and stand a post son ?
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 23, 2009 23:02:42 GMT -5
Yes, yes I have.
How about you?
Brave Sir Robin was a liberal, btw.
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Post by Warkitty on Sept 24, 2009 6:18:59 GMT -5
IIRC, Frayne not only stood a post but stood it in bloody war rather than the peacetime you enjoyed Gus.
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Post by gridbug on Sept 24, 2009 6:59:06 GMT -5
Yea, it's better to just go ahead and throw a few thousand lives at it. You know, just in case. And a few trillion dollars too! Nothing is too good for your taxes.
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Post by el Gusano on Sept 24, 2009 8:18:08 GMT -5
Peacetime is not always peaceful in the Persian Gulf. Remember the USS Starke? They were peaceful until they were hit.
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