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Post by Red on Dec 5, 2007 9:59:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately due to many cheapskates out there... servers get stiffed sometimes when it's a large group because someone may think that someone else is going to take care of the tip (million of various excuses) and therefore it's become mandatory for a resturant to put the percentage automatically on paries that exceed a certian number. I have no problem with this.. what's the big deal guys? You were/have been waited on and taken care of. You would normally tip... even a bad server something. Just because you weren't waited on hand and foot because there were more people than there were servers isn't a reason to get your panties/boxers in a wad.
I worked as a server, and busted my ass dong it. It's not an easy job, there are alot of servers out there but very few that are actually good. Sure you pay a percentage more on your bill, but good grief. You aren't doing dishes and cooking now are you?
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Dec 5, 2007 10:00:33 GMT -5
Post by whimdriven on Dec 5, 2007 10:00:33 GMT -5
Not to mention that in addition to the IRS being a little cracked out about that, it doesn't build up your earnings for Social Security if you don't report it. Most people who are serving right now won't get much (if anything) out of Social Security, but it certainly serves a purpose to have all possible income documented.
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Dec 5, 2007 10:15:53 GMT -5
Post by daworm on Dec 5, 2007 10:15:53 GMT -5
Back when I was in food service, no one I knew gave a whit about Social Security (other than being pissed that it too was being deducted from their checks).
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Dec 5, 2007 10:21:22 GMT -5
Post by tncoaster37 on Dec 5, 2007 10:21:22 GMT -5
Red, the fact is that you took the job knowing what it pays and if you don't like it then quit. IF the employer really wants to do a good job, he should pay you a decent wage instead of having the customer subsidize it for them. So don't take out your bad attitude because we don't tip to your standards. You should be grateful that there is a tip period.
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Dec 5, 2007 10:58:17 GMT -5
Post by emanon on Dec 5, 2007 10:58:17 GMT -5
Red, I can so agree with that about bigger parties. We used to live out of state, came in for a visit and met some people at a restaurant - there were about 8 total, so not even that big of a party.
The checks came and we just knew some of the people in our group might not tip well. So we hung around, after all was said and done, the server was only going to get about 5%. Which, we had tipped over 20% (it has been a while so I don't remember exact numbers), so somebody apparently did not tip at all. We made her count it all out while we were still there, she was saying she was sure it was fine, we told her that she should count it anyway. When we saw what she was going to get, we added to make it right.
So, yes, it does happen.
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Dec 5, 2007 10:59:42 GMT -5
Post by Red on Dec 5, 2007 10:59:42 GMT -5
Pardon moi Coaster?
Read.
I knew what it paid, I worked my ass off just as Twisted and many others are doing. Resturants don't operate like traditional businesses you dumbass.
You should be grateful that anyone would even consider servering someone with a crappy attitude and low intelligence such as yours. But alas... servers aren't allowed to make judgements. The customers who tip crappy do.
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Dec 5, 2007 11:10:18 GMT -5
Post by whimdriven on Dec 5, 2007 11:10:18 GMT -5
Back when I was in food service, no one I knew gave a whit about Social Security (other than being pissed that it too was being deducted from their checks). Typical short-sighted thinking ... Common sense cannot be taught.
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Dec 5, 2007 11:16:32 GMT -5
Post by daworm on Dec 5, 2007 11:16:32 GMT -5
Had I known then what I know now, I'd have agreed with them, though. I truly don't think Social Security, as it is now, will be in existence when I am ready to retire in 30 or so years.
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Dec 5, 2007 11:18:59 GMT -5
Post by whimdriven on Dec 5, 2007 11:18:59 GMT -5
Had I known then what I know now, I'd have agreed with them, though. I truly don't think Social Security, as it is now, will be in existence when I am ready to retire in 30 or so years. No, but in the event that some workable reform is implemented, it's better to be safe than sorry ... You don't want to say that you got back less than you should have been entitled to under the law because you spent years circumventing the tax system.
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Dec 5, 2007 11:57:34 GMT -5
Post by daworm on Dec 5, 2007 11:57:34 GMT -5
Hey, if I didn't pay it, I wouldn't be owed it. (And boy, do I wish I could invest it on my own instead of watching the government throw it away.)
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Dec 5, 2007 12:06:31 GMT -5
Post by whimdriven on Dec 5, 2007 12:06:31 GMT -5
Hey, if I didn't pay it, I wouldn't be owed it. (And boy, do I wish I could invest it on my own instead of watching the government throw it away.) I agree. In the environment of entitlement, people get a lot of things they're not owed! It's an agenda that needs to be pursued.
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Dec 5, 2007 13:05:00 GMT -5
Post by Fun Grrl From Mt Pilot on Dec 5, 2007 13:05:00 GMT -5
I believe everyone should at one point in their lives work in a service industry, it teaches lessons about kindness, human nature and how to treat people...if you are open to learning them.. Oh and welcome to Twisted...hope you stick around here and enjoy your stay..
Now as for this... "Typical short-sighted thinking ... Common sense cannot be taught"
Common sense is not trusting the government to take care of me in my old age...even if you don't invest traditionally sticking your cash under your mattress makes more sense than the social security system as we know it..
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Dec 5, 2007 13:08:43 GMT -5
Post by tncoaster37 on Dec 5, 2007 13:08:43 GMT -5
Red, you need to wake up. IF you don't like your job as a server then quit. No one is putting a gun to your head. My attitude is none of your concern as far as tipping goes. It's not my responsibility to make up the difference between your salary and what you expect. Take it up with your boss if you want to make more but don't you ever demand something.
Tipping is a voluntary and it should be left up to the cuctomer to tip you or not.
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Dec 5, 2007 14:18:16 GMT -5
Post by Red on Dec 5, 2007 14:18:16 GMT -5
I'm not a server you dumbass. Used to be. Matter of fact was in management training and decided that Media held alot less headaches.
Tipping isn't required. It's nice. Don't you want to do something nice for someone who waits on your sorry ass?
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Dec 5, 2007 14:25:11 GMT -5
Post by xterragirl on Dec 5, 2007 14:25:11 GMT -5
Red, it's a typical KKKoaster response...clueless.
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Dec 5, 2007 14:31:20 GMT -5
Post by twisted23 on Dec 5, 2007 14:31:20 GMT -5
kordax, thanks for one. and for any of you i insult, not my problem your minds are so tightly shut. and tncoaster, you are saying if we don't like our jobs we should quit. do you like your job EVERY second of EVERY day? no one does. that is what separates the persistent hard workers from those who, well...AREN'T. and as far a wage is concerned. the wage at a CORPORATE restaurant cannot be changed on a whim as that at a mom and pop restaurant, or any other privately owned business for that matter. A server's wage is set in direct correlation to that states minimum wage rate. i would love to be able to walk into a corporation, bitch about my wage, and get more money as a result. unfortunately, anyone should know thats not how the world works, now is it? remember that COMMON sense that someone said couldn't be learned? obviously several of these threads are perfectly clear proof to the validity of that statement. and whats more, i never said i expected anyone's money. were any of you to actually READ (which i know may be challenging for some) you would have seen that in an earlier thread i even said that if i knew i was giving service that was not up to par, i didn't expect a tip, or at least not a good one. (there's that little common sense thing i have) if people's money is so tightly shoved up your ass, keep it there because i sure as hell don't want it. my job may not pay the best at times, but it is still my JOB. i go in, bust my ass, and hope i make enough to take care of my responsibilities. that is one thing that separates the hard workers from those who, well...AREN'T. just because it may not be great at times doesn't mean you run off and look for another one on a whim. its called being responsible and accepting that fact that sometimes things are going to be hard. i would rather work my ass off where i work, even if the benefits aren't always fruitful, than sit around scratching my fat ass behind some desk, not doing a damn thing for money. some of us like knowing we bust ass to make do, some of us like knowing we don't have to break a sweat to pay our bills. its all a personal preference. so don't hate on me because i choose to continue working in a restaurant. i never bitched about my job here. i bitched about cheap ass people who have no clue what its like to work in that setting. get it right.
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Dec 5, 2007 14:52:34 GMT -5
Post by Justin Thyme on Dec 5, 2007 14:52:34 GMT -5
It also isn't my problem that you work in the environment you work in.
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Dec 5, 2007 15:05:10 GMT -5
Post by twisted23 on Dec 5, 2007 15:05:10 GMT -5
did i ever say it was?? pretty sure i didn't. so yet again, read. never blamed anyone for where i work, and YET again, never complained about my job.
oh our comprehensive skills, how they lack.
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Dec 5, 2007 15:11:09 GMT -5
Post by whimdriven on Dec 5, 2007 15:11:09 GMT -5
Boy, I can't wait to hear the retort to this.
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Dec 5, 2007 15:24:05 GMT -5
Post by twisted23 on Dec 5, 2007 15:24:05 GMT -5
and to justin, for what its worth, i do appreciate you actually taking the time to explain your opinions and not just ranting "get a new job" blah blah....thank you
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Dec 5, 2007 16:27:58 GMT -5
Post by Justin Thyme on Dec 5, 2007 16:27:58 GMT -5
Actually, as amusing as this might be, Coaster's income has nothing to do with food or the food service industry. Also, "get another job" doesn't fall under the topic of this forum either. I don't moderate often in here. Please don't make me start.
I asked nicely not to make me start. I just erased a few posts that had nothing to do with tipping. If you have a concern about this please take it up with me in PM, not in this forum.
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Dec 5, 2007 19:57:22 GMT -5
Post by snarkalicious on Dec 5, 2007 19:57:22 GMT -5
Question: why do restaurants refuse to split up the check when you have a large party? A group of my coworkers and I recently went to a local restaurant for lunch where they refused to separate the check for 8 people. They actually made us sit at 3 separate tables before they would allow us to each pay separately. Since everyone was paying with credit cards, it would be next to impossible for one person to pay.
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Dec 5, 2007 23:27:21 GMT -5
Post by tcrashfx on Dec 5, 2007 23:27:21 GMT -5
Tipping is not allowed where I work.
Thank Gawd, as I can't stand controversy.
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Post by Milk on Dec 6, 2007 0:45:05 GMT -5
Question: why do restaurants refuse to split up the check when you have a large party? A group of my coworkers and I recently went to a local restaurant for lunch where they refused to separate the check for 8 people. They actually made us sit at 3 separate tables before they would allow us to each pay separately. Since everyone was paying with credit cards, it would be next to impossible for one person to pay. I'll take this one. In Chicago, I worked at a HUGE tourist trap restaurant called Ed Debevic's. On the menu was the statement "All parties of six or more have an automatically included 18% gratuity; No Seperate Checks." Now when it was slow, say between 2-4 in the afternoon, most servers would seperate a check if asked nicely. The problems would come when the 500+ seat restaurant would get completely packed with a line out the door (literally) for the next seat. These were the "turn and burn" times. Invariably, during "turn & burn" 8 to 20 middle aged white ladies or kids with nothing better to do or families that had just been on the Jerry Springer Show (I kid you not) or whatever and everybody had credit cards and everybody wanted seperate checks. Our registers were fairly antiquitated. So, in accordance with our policy, I would hand them the check and say "write down what you want to put on your card and I will run each one of them for you.*" If anyone took offense at this, I would say, "OK. say I seperate this check for all 20 of you. that means that I have to sit down, figure what each one of you had (+ tax!) write each bill out by hand and give it to you. I'm not good at math, so this may take a while. Meanwhile the folk that have already been standing in line have to wait that much longer and the restaurant and I make that much less money. I am already going against policy by letting you pay on seperate cards. Those card machines have to be used by all the servers in here that have patrons that want to pay their money too. So because you ladies [ to be fair, it was almost always ladies] are not able to survive in a cash economy and need to run up your credit cards to the max to feel empowered, everyone in the greater Chicago area that decided to come to Ed's tonight has to suffer? I make less money, that kid over there has to wait an extra fifteen minutes because I suck at math and you couldn't plan ahead just a little bit and pull some cash out of an ATM. Or you there with the fake extensions, you couldn't just pop for everybody and let them pay you back later? Fine!! I'll split up the dang Check!! Hey everybody!! These ladies want ( waggle fingers in quotation-mark gesture) seperate checks! You know what my degree is in? THEATRE!! WOO HOO!! So glad mom & dad plopped down that 50 grand so I could make SEPERATE CHECKS for ( waggle fingers) ladies that don't want the hassle of having to figure stuff out for themselves. ( Go up to the next guy in line) Youwanna know why it's taking so dang long? ( point at table) Those ladies want seperate checks!! And the irony is, if they'd just paid the bill in the first place and stopped complaining, they'd be out of here by now and wouldn't be embarassed like they are! I'll be back!! I gotta go find a calculator!!!" So then I'd go smoke a cigarette outside, divide their bill by 20 (or whatever) and come back to the table."There you go. ( waggle fingers) Seperate Checks." ** If they complained to management, usually the manager would just say, "Well, it does say on the menu that we don't do seperate checks." The real reason is it slows everything down to do it. Most restaurants, if their register-computers have the capacity, will seperate checks if you ask nicely. And If you think that's bad, you should hear my Birthday Song Speil. *Please note that Ed's was "that kind of restaurant." It really would never catch on here in the south.
** no really. It was like that. One of "those" restaurants that you always hear about. Best. Job. Evar. I declared 36k my first year there. First time I ever had to pay taxes for real. And I got all my stress out at work.
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Post by kanooch1011 on Dec 6, 2007 8:01:59 GMT -5
Oh I LOVED Ed Debevic's when I used to live in Illinois!!!! And yes, the thing with Ed's is that it is SUPPOSED to be a restaurant with "snappy, attitude filled" servers. I also agree it might not catch on here in the south.
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Post by rossbilly on Dec 6, 2007 8:22:46 GMT -5
Sounds similar to "Dick's Last Resort"... though your story might have been better understood if you'd prefaced it with the environment. I sat here getting all pissed off, until I realized what you meant!
Come to think of it, nvm - works fine like it is.
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Post by Milk on Dec 6, 2007 8:30:36 GMT -5
Ed's is fine dining compared to Dick's.
At Ed's There were 3 rules:
1- Never Cuss
2- Never insult someones physical appearance.
3- Never, ever touch a customer. Ever. Unless they ask. And even then, don't.
# 3 was really difficult when I waited on Jenny McCarthy. Jenny McCarthy stole my lighter. (f'real!)
And rossbilly, I was trying to use our extreme example to humourously illustrate the concept of "no seperate checks." There really is a reason behind it, it's not just random fascism.
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Post by tncoaster37 on Dec 6, 2007 8:57:41 GMT -5
Actually JIt, when I was in my late teens and early 20's it did involve food. Who knows I might have bagged up your groceries at one point.
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Dec 6, 2007 10:25:16 GMT -5
Post by rossbilly on Dec 6, 2007 10:25:16 GMT -5
(sorry - I coulda put a in there... I 'get' your meaning, Milk)
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Dec 6, 2007 11:09:44 GMT -5
Post by daworm on Dec 6, 2007 11:09:44 GMT -5
If they have any half way decent system, it can place orders by seat (Table 6, seat 1 has Steak and Potatoes, Green Beans and Tea, seat 2 has French Dip, etc.) and the computer will split the check for you automatically. If your restaurant management system doesn't do this, you have a crappy system. Squirrel, Micros, etc. all have feature this available.
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